MLB 2024: Rangers Conquer Texas, Then America
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More glavine Maddox smultz. Less stupid ass rob Dibble.
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Alex
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Wild to see Keith Meister get so many high client guys now. Actually avoided a tommy john surgery thanks to his staff, a long, long time ago.
Pogi.G
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I think it is more mechanics and throwing more off speed pitches. Take Nolan for example, for most of his career, he threw three pitches. Fastball, curveball, changeup. Slider was added towards the end. The guy threw freaking hard for 20+ years and never had the issues you see today. I see more and more pitchers off-speed heavy, and I think the problem stems there.
Also note that pitch count wasn't really a thing in Nolan's day, and what they were able to go back and review, he was constantly 150+ pitches. He even had a 13 inning 235 pitch count game in the 70s. Anyone else have any ideas on why he could do that (and other pitchers too back then), and it seems like most today are heavy injury prone?
And also to our resident Astros fans...
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There is a house in New Orleans, they call the Rising Sun…AND ITS BEEN THE RUIN OF MANY A POOR BOY! And God, I know I’m one.
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I actually got really close to a TJ surgery. The, I believe still prevailing thought, is an overuse of the arm - both in stress in a particular outing, and how frequently you're stressing that arm through the year. The staff I worked with also seemed to think that youth baseball being played year around and the emphasis on a slider later in HS and then really heavily in college and later, really added to the chances.
I know some pitchers thought really, really hardcore long toss programs where you were ramping up over 6-8 weeks before pitching was a good preventive. Not sure how true that is.
Ultimately, I think the massive over use of pitching in year-around travel baseball and the slider, along with velocity is the obvious culprit. I didn't throw anywhere near mid to upper 90s, but I threw a lot of sliders later and I always could feel the torque on my elbow after throwing sliders.
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Strider - massive velocity and very slider heavy
Loisiaga - huge velocity and very slider heavy
Bieber - a bit different case but his velocity has dropped big time since his Cy Young season in '20 and I believe he had multiple IL stints regarding elbow inflammation. It was only a matter of time for Bieber.
Loisiaga - huge velocity and very slider heavy
Bieber - a bit different case but his velocity has dropped big time since his Cy Young season in '20 and I believe he had multiple IL stints regarding elbow inflammation. It was only a matter of time for Bieber.
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I didn't even consider travel ball, but I think you may be right, and I bet that plays a big part in it.
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He didn't throw 235 triple digit fastballs.
While some of it can be attributed to pitchers being expected to push themselves to the limit, a lot of them probably come into the minors already having TJL damage from pitching too hard in high school and college.
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Interesting take on the arm injuries
From what I understand, the timing is the major factor. Ideally, the pitcher wants his arm to be in the up position just as his front foot comes down.
If the arm is still to the side as the front foot comes down, this results in the pitcher whipping the arm for velocity and resulting in damage to the elbow
I asked him about Dustin May, who’s arm comes up in the correct position, but apparently May had the arm up slightly too early which is also detrimental
From what I understand, the timing is the major factor. Ideally, the pitcher wants his arm to be in the up position just as his front foot comes down.
If the arm is still to the side as the front foot comes down, this results in the pitcher whipping the arm for velocity and resulting in damage to the elbow
I asked him about Dustin May, who’s arm comes up in the correct position, but apparently May had the arm up slightly too early which is also detrimental
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It's beating a dead horse at this point, but it's ridiculous that the millions watching know immediately if a pitch is a ball or strike, but we have to rely on one guy behind the plate to make the correct call. Fuck any "purity of the game" nonsense, they should at least let the coaches challenge a few ball/strike calls per game.
MLB viewers are an aging demographic and they know they need to attract new and younger viewers. That's why they put in the pitch clock, limited mound visits, and the extra innings changes. Seeing all these bullshit ball/strike calls that everyone knows are bullshit are really going to turn a lot of people off from the sport though.
A work buddy of mine who's a hardcore baseball fanatic told me that the MLB does want to put in an automated strike zone, but they can't because of their contract with the umpires union. This contract is up in 3 years so they may be able to do it then.
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An automated strike zone should only be used to supplement the human umpire and used for challenges
each team would be allowed to make one challenge to a call per inning, if the robo ump can confirm an incorrect call, then the team would retain the right to question another call that inning
if the robo ump confirmed the human umpire made the correct call, then the team would lose the right for more challenges until the next inning
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