Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Kirun

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No. They added a corpse retrieval NPC to cities that you can activate after a period of time elapses for a fee. It's not possible for your corpse to rot.
Wow, ok, I'm out. This sounds like a casual bitchboy, drooling zoomer game. Where's the hardcore?!
Risk vs reward is so sorely missing from these modern MMOs. It's one of the major hallmarks of a good one when they balance it well. Going into Seb and howling stones with a key or going into fear/hate, knowing the risk in real classic EQ was a totally different and exciting experience. Good posts on the interactions and lifelong friendships that stemmed from such systems. I enjoyed the read about that Fungul guy and all that... wishing to see something like that exist again.
I get the sentiment, the sense of danger and discovery in those old zones felt incredible at the time. But a lot of what people remember as "risk vs reward" was really inconvenience vs patience. The tension came less from meaningful stakes and more from logistics: time sinks, corpse runs, and arbitrary gating that punished the wrong things. But none of it was the result of deep systems. They were the result of lack of systems.

Those late-night Fear raids, or saving someone's corpse in Sebilis wasn't designed. It was emergent, born from a lack of modern systems and the sheer novelty of being online together. That kind of social alchemy was lightning in a bottle and it can't just be recreated by reintroducing tedium and calling it "risk."

Modern games can and should have risk and consequence, but the design has to be intentional. That's why Souls games are pretty much the blueprint in the "modern" gaming era for games that have real stakes, but they balance that risk with clarity, learning, and iteration, not by forcing you to spend 40 minutes running back to your body. That's the difference between challenge and friction for friction's sake.

And yeah, even Souls games have their own bits of "friction for friction’s sake." The difference is that the rest of their design is so tight that it fades into the background. With M&M, friction is the design. There's no rhythm, no lesson, just a checklist of outdated pain points dressed up as "old-school charm."

“Sure, it’s tedious, but hey, remember when we were fifteen and this was all new, just like Everquest!?”. At this point I think more of you are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome than nostalgia.
 

Kriptini

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Yeah, that part is a legit complaint at least.

I read some of the discord getting shitted up over at M&M, the beloved Inquisitor class discussion no less. Is nothing sacred?

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Literally covered cc like this for a whole wyrmsbane clear

I haven't gotten very high level on my INQ yet but at least from what I can tell according to their spell list, they do actually have the same amount of CC capacity as an Enchanter, but without the buff suite. I do think they might need a bit more to keep up with SK/Fighter but their control suite does look very robust.

No. They added a corpse retrieval NPC to cities that you can activate after a period of time elapses for a fee. It's not possible for your corpse to rot.

The only real death penalty is the potential destruction of your play session. Corpse retrieval NPCs in game basically guarantees 50% of your group logs out on every wipe and just waits until tomorrow to get their body the easy way. Unless of course, it takes like a week for the corpse to be available for summoning, but that would be absurd for a whole other set of reasons.

So, uh... about that "absurd" case... guess how long Nick said it takes a corpse to decay in that same stream where he showed off the NPC that can retrieve them?
 
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Nirgon

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I haven't gotten very high level on my INQ yet but at least from what I can tell according to their spell list, they do actually have the same amount of CC capacity as an Enchanter, but without the buff suite. I do think they might need a bit more to keep up with SK/Fighter but their control suite does look very robust.



So, uh... about that "absurd" case... guess how long Nick said it takes a corpse to decay in that same stream where he showed off the NPC that can retrieve them?

running inquis and air elemental pet was op, had no problems ever
 

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People were wiping on breaking into hate until the day the zone got remade lol.

So its prime for incel lockdown….

(Member berries my p99 decrepit hide during drakes w a shaman bro…oh the fun)
guys the term incel is far too overused and saturated in pop culture, fucking local news are doing the whole "who is this, 4-chan guy" bit with it.

Can we just refer to them by their correct name, you know, as Nirgons? Thanks
 
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