Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Chersk

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apparently the early access/soft launch isn’t coming January or February. I’m going to guess May of next year.
 

Daidraco

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Steam takes a 30% cut of sales. It would be prudent for them to wait for steam until they stabilize as it cuts all future margin. And I think he reported my post FYI.
I dont think anyone reported "your" post. If I had the guess, the bit calling people "illogical women" was probably the coup de grace for some random. It's like riding in New York Subway as a white person, hoping the "guy" in the corner will stay asleep in his makeshift shack long enough for you to get where you're going.

Random side story, only slightly related:
Some guy just rolled up in my groups camp and just started cherry picking mobs and rares as they spawned while I'm pulling the camp. I called the guy a retard in group chat and the Bard started defending him by saying "He's following the rules. The rare we're pulling isnt in line of sight." Or some kind of bullshit. Of fucking course he wasnt in line of sight, he's in a fucking cave with high respawn, where we cant sit. The bard kept on about it. So I just asked why she had a rebuttal for everything I said - since I was basically ignoring the guy because I knew the rules, too. She said it was because I said the "R" word. ... I thought about it for a minute. Do I say what I want to say? ... No. I was the healer and pulling for the group. I just said I was done and we all left. Get the fuck out of my face with that woke ass bullshit.

Or in other words - when the rules are protecting the "retards" - then ignoring them isnt enough. As I'm going to pack up my shit and move into a different neighborhood. Maybe some will get the comparison.

Yeah. Depends on when they get beta up. I’m guessing late Jan for that. So figure April for ea at the earliest.
Not directly related to you, just the conversation: If I heard alovingrobot correctly on that video - Theyre spending something like 3k a month, baseline, and collectively, to support the Alpha player base and continue development. That's not a lot in the "grand scheme" of making a game, sure. But I seriously doubt that every single one of those devs are contributing to the project. So Im sure someone like himself, and Nick, are footing some major part of that bill, hosting, and software licensing fees. I think thats pretty admirable, myself. Hoping that it ends up being worth it for them, and pays them back ten fold.

The 105k number that was talked about earlier, was also disclosed as being from the beginning of THIS YEAR. Which they have more tools, a hell of a lot of players in alpha, the open beta's where Im sure their usage peaked over different thresholds and more for bandwidth.. I'd imagine this year has been quite expensive for them.
 
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Shawn always seem to have a strong eye for zone design. The only zone he's ever explicitly claimed credit for is Chardok B, but given the period in which he served as Lead Designer, it's highly probable he also influenced The Bloodfields, Wall of Slaughter, and Muramite Proving Grounds - all three of which still stand among EQ's best.
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I'll fuken pass on this game then lmao
 
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They stacking the hoes deep in the slums, Twitch executives would be envious.


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Sylas

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Steam takes a 30% cut of sales. It would be prudent for them to wait for steam until they stabilize as it cuts all future margin. And I think he reported my post FYI.
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This pathetic excuse only works on retards and has been thoroughly debunked by literally the entire industry.

70% of 100X is > 100% of X. There is absolutely ZERO fucking financial reason to not launch on steam when you are guaranteed to make 7000% more money by doing so. There is really no logical reason to not launch on steam unless you know what you are selling is a vaporware scam. Look at pantheon's steam profile FFS, that game is a cunt hairs breath above vaporware and it has glowing reviews and moved over 100k units.

At the very least, the head retard dev of this game knows its a horrible look to not launch on steam, everyone will assume its a scam, so he came out with a video to explain why and it has absolutely nothing to do finances.

he said the reason they aren't launching on steam is he doesn't want a lot of players playing his game because he wants to keep it super niche for only a handful of faithful and he's not interested in making money. I'm paraphrasing of course but that's what he said whether he knows it or not. Then again he is a retard.
 

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This pathetic excuse only works on retards and has been thoroughly debunked by literally the entire industry.
It's kindergarten economics, basically. It's the same logic your 4-year-old niece uses when you offer her a $5 bill for her three $1 bills and she refuses because "three is more than one."

Steam isn't just a storefront. It's literally free discovery, free marketing, and the difference between people actually learning your game exists versus yelling into a deserted IRC channel with the same seven dudes who think spell book medding was peak game design.

At this rate, the only mystery left is whether the game collapses before or after someone proudly posts a spreadsheet proving that 200 subs at 100% margin is "basically WoW numbers."
 

Sylas

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It's kindergarten economics, basically. It's the same logic your 4-year-old niece uses when you offer her a $5 bill for her three $1 bills and she refuses because "three is more than one."

Steam isn't just a storefront. It's literally free discovery, free marketing, and the difference between people actually learning your game exists versus yelling into a deserted IRC channel with the same seven dudes who think spell book medding was peak game design.

At this rate, the only mystery left is whether the game collapses before or after someone proudly posts a spreadsheet proving that 200 subs at 100% margin is "basically WoW numbers."
it's such a dipshit argument I can't believe this johnny come lately is going to show up after 200+ pages and think he's the first retard to use that excuse like it hasn't been shit all over so many times so fucking hard that the damn developer of the game had to come out and release a video to tell his retarded followers to stop saying "oh but steam takes 30%"

Literally you can give up 30% of your revenue to reach 100% of the PC gaming market, or you can give up 22% of your revenue to reach maybe 30% of the players on GOG, or you can stand in a back alley filled with cat piss and hand out paper fliers for your game at your local farmer's market, doesn't fucking matter you will still reach exactly the same amount of people, zero.

Steam is a monopoly, it's fucking Netflix before everyone decided to start their own streaming service except in this world there is only fucking netflix, cable ceased to exist 10 years earlier the same time as blockbusters died, and everything ever made is only available on Netflix. You have to be the dumbest motherfucker alive to think that extra 8% to reach every single potential customer on earth is a bridge too far. Fucking jungle people who've just been contacted, never seen an airplane or automobile before, the moment they are introduced to electricity and the internet the first fucking thing they do is download steam. There is not a single PC gamer on earth who doesn't use it.
 

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The alpha will be converted to beta in January is the latest I heard. So there will still be a wipe before ea but there should be a lot more players able to try the game in January which is good
 
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They don't want Steam until the game is fully released. Obviously Steam is a larger market but they've been clear they don't want EA to hit that platform. Ya'll being ridiculous. By all means disagree with the decision but you're pretending like they don't understand why Steam is a good idea.
 
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it's such a dipshit argument I can't believe this johnny come lately is going to show up after 200+ pages and think he's the first retard to use that excuse like it hasn't been shit all over so many times so fucking hard that the damn developer of the game had to come out and release a video to tell his retarded followers to stop saying "oh but steam takes 30%"

Literally you can give up 30% of your revenue to reach 100% of the PC gaming market, or you can give up 22% of your revenue to reach maybe 30% of the players on GOG, or you can stand in a back alley filled with cat piss and hand out paper fliers for your game at your local farmer's market, doesn't fucking matter you will still reach exactly the same amount of people, zero.

Steam is a monopoly, it's fucking Netflix before everyone decided to start their own streaming service except in this world there is only fucking netflix, cable ceased to exist 10 years earlier the same time as blockbusters died, and everything ever made is only available on Netflix. You have to be the dumbest motherfucker alive to think that extra 8% to reach every single potential customer on earth is a bridge too far. Fucking jungle people who've just been contacted, never seen an airplane or automobile before, the moment they are introduced to electricity and the internet the first fucking thing they do is download steam. There is not a single PC gamer on earth who doesn't use it.
Tarkov, path of exile are two examples of games that both limited steam until they had core purchases stable You don't understand margins, and costing. a player is not free, it has variable costs.

you all seriously think you know better than them or that they hate money? Wild takes, and with such fervor. Weird
 
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Havent missed much it looks like

In other news, game keeps getting better and better
 
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Sylas

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Tarkov, path of exile are two examples of games that both limited steam until they had core purchases stable You don't understand margins, and costing. a player is not free, it has variable costs.

you all seriously think you know better than them or that they hate money? Wild takes, and with such fervor. Weird