Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

vegetoeeVegetoee · Thursday at 8:22 PM

Nirgon said:
Being accused of cheating for how we pulled Innoruuk thru the floor with intentional pacify crit resists then having 2 monks peel him out. Great strat right?

Not when the other guild is too stupid to figure it out and accuses you of cheating.

Wanna do better than even that? The GMs start watching you and even they don't fucking get it.

Then they demand to know how you're doing it to rule out cheating and promise not to repeat it, then immediately blurt out the strat you don't want to share to the entire server when you tell them "ohhh! Critical pacify resists, of course!"

Then the "goodie two shoes" guild that would "never cheat" (because they're too stupid to figure literally anything out) is given one. They decide to "split the loot" wink wink with the other communist flat brain goodie two shoe brown nosers, which ends up with the previous guild's high dkp mages losing the earth staff to some ultra low bidder butt buddy in the secondary good two shoes guild. Maybe RMT, maybe to be super cute with giving it to the most casual mage there, who knows, it was disgusting. At absolutely no point did effort or merit matter, nor was any single promise kept.

Later I'll tell the one about being able to concede mobs yet also keep the loot being intentionally abused to worm their way into ST.

Was that P99? IB?

Kithani · Thursday at 10:20 PM

Del said:
This game isn't EQ, man.

If they decide they want classes that can charm to be completely broken or certain DPS classes be able to do 1.5-2x more damage than the rest while bringing a bunch of utility to the table and it ends up making the game brain dead easy, then yeah, this game won't be for me, man.

I can dig that.

I have said before that instead of breaking the shittiest EQ class (Ranger) into 3 classes (Ranger, Archer, Spellblade) they should have instead broken Enchanter into two classes (one focused on Charm/Mez and the other focused on Buffs/Debuffs/Mana Regen)

... · Thursday at 10:42 PM

Kithani said:
I can dig that.

I have said before that instead of breaking the shittiest EQ class (Ranger) into 3 classes (Ranger, Archer, Spellblade) they should have instead broken Enchanter into two classes (one focused on Charm/Mez and the other focused on Buffs/Debuffs/Mana Regen)

I would have played the non charm guy. Tho they would have to study early SoD or maybe some other short term buff boost game mechanics. Like early guildwars ritualist.

Kithani · Thursday at 11:04 PM

... said:
I would have played the non charm guy. Tho they would have to study early SoD or maybe some other short term buff boost game mechanics. Like early guildwars ritualist.

I’m not convinced the dev team has studied any other MMO. The Vanguard Blood Mage and Disciple (Bard too) are such obvious low hanging fruit that were very popular additions to the EQ-like MMOsphere

For their non-charm Enchanter they could've gone all in on the “target a player and cast spells through them” system they have here which is a better version of what SoD did with their runic whatever spell that just copied DPS

GuardianX · 2026-03-20T02:00:51-0400

Del said:
If you think soloing 2-3 blue con mobs should be normal for everyone then you haven't been paying attention to what the devs have stated what they want this game to be.

I agree that I don't want everyone to be the same or for there to be perfect balance, but it's just that it's not smart to allow certain classes have a ~2x easier time leveling to 60 or higher and in turn attracting most players to pick that class and completely fuck up the game balance while leaving people who play the less desired leveling classes out in the cold when almost nobody wants to invite them if given the choice. Seems like there is some fairly extreme imbalances atm when you look at what the highest level classes are and see zero representations of specific classes. Anyway, the devs have the metrics and we don't. I'm going to rely on them unless some better evidence presents itself.

As is, who is soloing?

Eles it's a pain in the ass to solo a blue and has 10 minute downtime

necromancers may do decently snare dotting and pet kiting, they are in the running for server first 60's

Wizards sure as fuck don't solo late game, they try to quad if they can and OH SHIT THATS 4 MOBS FUUUCCCKKKING NEEERRRF THEM!

archers just got the nerf bat and I don't see many of them in the 50's

same with rangers

BM's I see even less soloing in the 50's

Monks nope

Rogues nope

Spellblades not that I've seen

Clerics LOL

Druids pre charm they would 1:1 mobs so I'll put that in the "they can solo" box some try to quad and that goes "Well" FUCKIN NEEERRRF!!

Shamans root dot the same or similar to necros without pet assistance

Enchanters 50 50 on this,. pre-patch they could solo easily. After the patch I see all of them grouping and none of them soloing.

Bards, before the patch for sure, soloable, after the patch...rare. I could solo, takes me 70% of my mana to down 2 mobs that are blue and that'll likely change because nick is implying that people under a certain baseline of CHA shouldn't even LAND charm. Sure as shit not dotting mobs down

Fighters LOL

Inq's I saw a couple soling in their 50's at Cultists in GF killing Light blues in alpha, haven't seen them much in beta

Paladins, never seen them solo

SK's can kill a blue or 2 if they gear out their ass.

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So, by the teams own metrics many classes are barely scraping by on soloing using their "Blue" metrics, some flat out can't. Stop focusing on cutting down the marginal over-performers at the sake of ignoring the severe under-performers. No bard is kiting a whole zone for a couple reasons, Zone disruption and time.

I Could, at this time, pull an entire zone on my bard and dot every mob down over the course of a week and a half. Focusing on the fact that it's possible is such a stupid thing to do when a boat load other glaring issues are staring you in the face.

... · 2026-03-20T08:27:06-0400

this seems like a bit of an over reaction to the manaburn nerf, but i appreciate the spirit:

Hatorade · 2026-03-20T08:35:18-0400

... said:
this seems like a bit of an over reaction to the manaburn nerf, but i appreciate the spirit:

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The face of the game…interesting. Hopefully it is Nicks choice and not some bullshit.

Flobee · 2026-03-20T08:35:26-0400

... said:
this seems like a bit of an over reaction to the manaburn nerf, but i appreciate the spirit:

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Dang, well wish

Nick the best. Regardless of the why I have no doubt he put in a ton of hours and effort so separating from the project at this point couldn't have been easy.

Quaid · 2026-03-20T08:37:18-0400

... said:
this seems like a bit of an over reaction to the manaburn nerf, but i appreciate the spirit:

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Tough loss. Felt like the guy was super bought in to their project, and employees that actually care are real hard to find in any organization.

That said, I did not agree with the direction for a majority of classes in the slightest, so i hope that improves.

... · 2026-03-20T08:38:50-0400

i hope it was amicable. nick seemed thoughtful on stuff he discussed. it could be that nick had to leave because of another job having an no compete thing, but i feel like if it was a happy departure, they would have talked him up more in the announcement.

M Power · 2026-03-20T08:39:00-0400

Quaid said:
Project Quarm is fun as fuck and every guild has its own raid instances.

Quarm was good until Secrets ruined it with all the dumb custom additions. Daybreak put a stop to that but by then it was too late as a lot of people quit during the offline.

Quaid · 2026-03-20T08:41:08-0400

M Power said:
Quarm was good until Secrets ruined it with all the dumb custom additions. Daybreak put a stop to that but by then it was too late as a lot of people quit during the offline.

The population is robust, active, and extremely consistent.

Flobee · 2026-03-20T08:41:24-0400

Kithani said:
I’m not convinced the dev team has studied any other MMO. The Vanguard Blood Mage and Disciple (Bard too) are such obvious low hanging fruit that were very popular additions to the EQ-like MMOsphere

For their non-charm Enchanter they could've gone all in on the “target a player and cast spells through them” system they have here which is a better version of what SoD did with their runic whatever spell that just copied DPS

My 2c on Blood Mage and Disciple specifically is they essentially require the friendly / enemy targeting distinction that Vanguard uses in order to function properly. You could use a sort of ghetto target-of-target system, or aoe off target or something similar but the classes were very much a result of that specific targeting system. I imagine it could be done without defensive targets, but it just wouldn't feel as good.

Gravel · 2026-03-20T08:43:01-0400

Weird, saw him streaming Andrullan last night (guess I had him followed a long time ago). Hopefully he doesn't join their dev team to fuck up that game too.

... · 2026-03-20T08:43:24-0400

Flobee said:
My 2c on Blood Mage and Disciple specifically is they essentially require the friendly / enemy targeting distinction that Vanguard uses in order to function properly. You could use a sort of ghetto target-of-target system, or aoe off target or something similar but the classes were very much a result of that specific targeting system. I imagine it could be done without defensive targets, but it just wouldn't feel as good.

you'd just make it a buff. like you buff your guy you want benifited with "blood focus" then that's the dude who gets the benifit. obviously it's not as flexible but it could work.

Kaines · 2026-03-20T08:43:32-0400

Quaid said:
Tough loss. Felt like the guy was super bought in to their project, and employees that actually care are real hard to find in any organization.

That said, I did not agree with the direction for a majority of classes in the slightest, so i hope that improves.

If they don't roll back the recent nerfs and class changes, then this had nothing to do with the direction of the game and everything to do with providing a scapegoat to tap down Discord criticism. These devs have no fucking clue what they are doing and will spit in your face and insult your intelligence. The hardcore EQ fans will slurp it up though, because that is their kink.

M Power · 2026-03-20T08:48:35-0400

Quaid said:
The population is robust, active, and extremely consistent.

Maybe. I doubt it's what it used to be but I also am assuming people stick around now because Secrets had to rein in the autism.

Quaid · 2026-03-20T08:52:40-0400

M Power said:
Maybe. I doubt it's what it used to be but I also am assuming people stick around now because Secrets had to rein in the autism.

The server hits the DBG imposed population cap several nights a week. In January and February you were lucky to be able to log in between 7-10pm EST at all. It’s calmed down to 90% of the cap now that MNM is in beta and Luclin is mature.

Planes of Power will be a gong show.

M Power · 2026-03-20T08:53:18-0400

Quaid said:
The server hits the DBG imposed population cap several nights a week. In January and February you were lucky to be able to log in between 7-10pm EST at all. It’s calmed down to 90% of the cap now that MNM is in beta and Luclin is mature.

Planes of Power will be a gong show.

Yeah but that cap I would guess is below the amount the server used to get before it was a thing.

GuardianX · 2026-03-20T08:56:39-0400

Damn apparently it was a legal termination:

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