Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Siliconemelons

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How long did embers adrift last with their darkness nonsense and that was like, their lore… this is just their head up rectum, and most of the community is sucking up so hard they just feel its all good no problem.

The game would only be better for making everything brighter, the armor more visible, the towns navigable and “darkness” only a rare fun “every so often” thing in dungeons only.

You should be able to see and play the game anytime you log in

The art is nice, let people see it. You still can have fun lighting and effects without the nonsense that is now
 
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Hekotat

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I have some bad news for you, then. Shawns stream had him running around in one of the Deep zones and it was pitch fucking black almost. Like he would just run up on a big floating eye out of fucking nowhere. What I AM expecting, is that the Deep races are going to have Ultravision. Unless there is some bullshit tied to it, people are going to fucking flock to those races just so they can run around the game and be able to see everything and anything.

Hell.. Im sitting here thinking, just about everywhere I want to go in the overworld.. is just a route to get to somewhere that goes into a dungeon thats... well, dark. "The overworld is just blinding! Too Bright! .. But, dont care - everything I want to do is underground.
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I'm going to be balls deep in the darkness (No homo).
 
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Kithani

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Siliconemelons said:
How long did embers adrift last with their darkness nonsense and that was like, their lore… this is just their head up rectum, and most of the community is sucking up so hard they just feel its all good no problem.

The game would only be better for making everything brighter, the armor more visible, the towns navigable and “darkness” only a rare fun “every so often” thing in dungeons only.

You should be able to see and play the game anytime you log in

The art is nice, let people see it. You still can have fun lighting and effects without the nonsense that is now
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They can keep the darkness in dungeons and the deep but they need to either brighten up night time or come up with some lore where their world has no moon for it to make sense in the overworld.

It would be interesting to know how internally debated some of this stuff is amongst the team working on it I think Shawn has mentioned Ultravision is still being discussed to the last minute
 
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Noodleface

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I have to imagine they don't really want people cranking gamma to get around it so it'd be nice if it was dark but not pitch dark
 
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Noodleface said:
I have to imagine they don't really want people cranking gamma to get around it so it'd be nice if it was dark but not pitch dark
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Believe it or not, it used to be a lot darker. What you’ve been playing is post-adjustment because they realized their intended effect only worked with certain monitors
 
Pasteton

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The night elf males actually look pretty cool i think, when some of the beards and staches.

they need to just hire a Korean for the female models for basically every race, their sub count would triple instantly
 
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Mrniceguy

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Daidraco said:
This is with infravision AND a lamp (8 days ago. Wait till it gets about to 1:25:50)
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I agree that certain zones and certain areas can be too dark. I think you should remember these zones aren't all complete yet. Even when they're they can still be adjusted. I'd much prefer them to add lightings sources in those certain areas rather than generically turn the brightness of the game up. Wyrmsbane is like this and i'd want the Deep to be similar.
 
Hekotat

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Mrniceguy said:
I agree that certain zones and certain areas can be too dark. I think you should remember these zones aren't all complete yet. Even when they're they can still be adjusted. I'd much prefer them to add lightings sources in those certain areas rather than generically turn the brightness of the game up. Wyrmsbane is like this and i'd want the Deep to be similar.
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Or use any of the baked in class abilities, torches, lanterns etc.

Solutions already exist, everyone ignores them.

Wizard light, archer flare, torches, belt lanterns, elementalist fire pet, glowing chest pieces, etc.

I hope they add more darkness, more risk = more memories and chaos/comedy.
 
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Mur

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I'd be happy if they just made my fire beetle eye, or lightstone last for more than 5 minutes. There are definitely areas where they went full retard...

The choice between cranking Gamma up to max while having infravision just so I can find an ore node at night, while the same settings basically fry my retinas in the harsh daylight, vs not seeing anything at night is annoying. It too damn much! EQ did it so much better in every way.

Certain races see in the dark, some don't. Those that don't get a GLS, or equip a light giving item. Easily remedied tradeoff.

Having races that live their life underground needing something special to see in the dark is just another full retard situation.
 
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Hekotat said:
Or use any of the baked in class abilities, torches, lanterns etc.

Solutions already exist, everyone ignores them.

Wizard light, archer flare, torches, belt lanterns, elementalist fire pet, glowing chest pieces, etc.

I hope they add more darkness, more risk = more memories and chaos/comedy.
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Believe it or not, I get all this.

I think my main thought really is there's a hard line developers make sometimes in the interest of their vision and they forget about what's fun. To me, worrying about seeing or being pitch black in an MMO just isn't fun. There are ways around it now so I'm not gonna die on this hill or anything, I just think it's hard for the sake of being hard.
 
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Mur said:
I'd be happy if they just made my fire beetle eye, or lightstone last for more than 5 minutes. There are definitely areas where they went full retard...

The choice between cranking Gamma up to max while having infravision just so I can find an ore node at night, while the same settings basically fry my retinas in the harsh daylight, vs not seeing anything at night is annoying. It too damn much! EQ did it so much better in every way.

Certain races see in the dark, some don't. Those that don't get a GLS, or equip a light giving item. Easily remedied tradeoff.

Having races that live their life underground needing something special to see in the dark is just another full retard situation.
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That was my gripe. Money is hard to come by n the early game. Those refills are expensive and the fire eyes last like 5 mins. Fix that and problem solved. Belt lights are also retarded. Now I have less carry capacity because of a design choice? Add the extra slot and call it a day.
 
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Siliconemelons

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Even EQ got rid of humans blind AF

Infravision does basically nothing... it turns on/off and I only have had it "work" in the cave to wyrmsbane, but if you pay attention to that area there are literally like 2-3 "light" triggers in that cave "for the effect" and yeah cool and all, when it overall as a concept is killing your playability everywhere - the entire "art style" needs to be reviewed and changed
 
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Hekotat said:
Or use any of the baked in class abilities, torches, lanterns etc.

Solutions already exist, everyone ignores them.

Wizard light, archer flare, torches, belt lanterns, elementalist fire pet, glowing chest pieces, etc.

I hope they add more darkness, more risk = more memories and chaos/comedy.
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I dont hate the darkness. I think the zone in that video hes showcasing is really fucking neat. The spinning spotlight eye and all the shit reminds me of some other games I really enjoyed. The "theme" of that zone is really fucking cool and it would LOOK cool - if you could actually see it more than 5 feet a time.

Ill try to summarize the changes that "I" think needs to happen.
1. Make a Light Source slot on the character sheet with an ammo slot for fuel.
2. Decrease the cost of the lantern to 4 silver, not 4 gold.
3. Create a hand holding quest that takes the player directly to the Lumber, Survivalist, and Medic trainer - so a player knows how to make a torch, bandages, and acquire the ingredients to make the torch, fuel, bandages, etc.
4. Create multiple tiers of Fuel that increases the lanterns reach, efficiency, and/or allows other advantages.
(To expand upon this: First fuel tier stays the same as it is right now. Second fuel tier increases time and light reach. Third tier is a fuel that resets the vision down to the original fuel level, but gives up close "see invis". Fourth tier, more light and efficiency, etc. etc.)

Just those simple changes would overcome the hardship faced by lower level players, give some form of content, AND it puts a desire for other races to acquire a Lantern as well. As it sits right now, the advantage of the innate trait of infravision or ultravision is just "too high" in comparison to anything that a Human could bring to the table.

If all of that, or some of that is "planned" then I completely agree that "its just a matter of time" as Mrniceguy Mrniceguy suggests. But I havent heard of them doing anything like that and they just keep saying "itll change" .. and all I keep seeing is the exact opposite. "Look at this zone. Its so dark! Everything will pop out at the player and create a new level of difficulty based on the environment alone!" ... /yawn.
 
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