Punko
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please don't compare nexus to four horsemen
also both the decks you named involve looping a combo which isn't absolutely guaranteed to advance the board state, so they aren't legit to loop
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please don't compare nexus to four horsemen
also both the decks you named involve looping a combo which isn't absolutely guaranteed to advance the board state, so they aren't legit to loop
pharmakos
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yup.
i'm not even sure i agree that it should have been banned. their main concern in banning it is that new players get extremely frustrated by it, and they don't want to lose this new customer base that they're growing with Arena. would help if they added more play modes instead, perhaps. the BO1 non-ranked play option is filled with tier 1 decks, they need to add a play mode specifically for newer people somehow rather than mess up their current formats.
i'm not even sure i agree that it should have been banned. their main concern in banning it is that new players get extremely frustrated by it, and they don't want to lose this new customer base that they're growing with Arena. would help if they added more play modes instead, perhaps. the BO1 non-ranked play option is filled with tier 1 decks, they need to add a play mode specifically for newer people somehow rather than mess up their current formats.
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Punko
Macho Ma'am
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removing things that frustrate players ruins the game for other players
stasis has been legal for 20 years
i agree they are trying to please a new customer base though, i guess they will inquire about our phone ownership soon
i think will proceed to make a deck with 8 fogs, 8 sweepers, some ramp and lifegain, and teferi's backed up by 1 random walker as wincon
fog OP
stasis has been legal for 20 years
i agree they are trying to please a new customer base though, i guess they will inquire about our phone ownership soon
i think will proceed to make a deck with 8 fogs, 8 sweepers, some ramp and lifegain, and teferi's backed up by 1 random walker as wincon
fog OP
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pharmakos
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Arbitrary
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The only reason to be against porting the chess clock from MTGO to Arena is because you want to be the person playing masturbatory, time monopolizing decks and you want more than your fair share of time to jerk off on your opponent's face.
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shishare
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Big difference between getting blown out quick, and starting a new game, and waiting 30 minutes to see if they make 1 mistake.
Totally fine with just a ban in bo1, when i only have time for 1-2 decent games, that shit was ridiculous
Totally fine with just a ban in bo1, when i only have time for 1-2 decent games, that shit was ridiculous
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Rod-138
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Sometimes someone gets a great draw and many decks feel unbeatable or unfair, but the AIDS of fog/teferi/untaps/infinite turns is a different type of AIDS. It’s like saying you have to die of aids and watch time share presentations until you die.
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Mahes
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There are many players who would enjoy this format. I did not state that it should be the rule of all games. Almost every player I actually know(Friends at game shop) have wanted this kind of format because they get tired of.......a..........................player........................................taking...................................................their.......................................................................sweet...................................................time......................................starting...................................with..................................the...................................very.........................first..............................turn.
Punko
there are a lot of more knowledgeable players here than you when it comes to this stuff.Cards have been banned in multiple formats for issues other than power.
I don't use the term "not fun to play against" because wotc has never banned cards due to unfunness.
If you want a pretty recent example take a look at Sensei's Divining Top and it's ban in Modern.
It was not overpowered or over represented in the format.
It did not send itself to a degenerative deck or combo.
It was not "unfun" in an abstract way.
So why was it banned?
Because it made tournaments take too long to finish. Every player with top would add 3-5 minutes in their turn sorting out their draws with top. Combine that with a 4,000 person GP with 8 rounds day 1 you have a massive problem.
So banning a card due to administrative issues such as time management or stalling has a precedent since shaharazad in Arabian Nights.
This is in no way catering to Timmy's stop being a scrub.
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Arbitrary
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If Arena Best of One is its own segregated little quarantine zone with its own rule set than whatever. Once Arena starts impacting the rest of the game as a whole (including physical) I'll get the pitchforks and torches. I can understand not wanting your free to play daily grinder best of one leper customers to bail on the game because the quickest way to play some games wasn't quick.
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Same boat as you. If you want MTG hearthstone then BO1 is the place to do it, ban every card that isn't swing to the face and let the casuals go wild.
The second Hasbro starts printing flip a coin ancestral recalls then I know it's time to divest my collection.
Stuff like removing May triggers are fine but also narrow the game from a design perspective and modular cards like Knight of Autumn who look like they where designed for a BO1 format are interesting.
They need to really sit down and be transparent with what they want Arena to be because they are starting to alienate both sides when they won't commit
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Mist
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I agree that more modal spells is the best upside that can happen from Arena.
I don't foresee the downsides being that bad.
Kiroy
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Cards have been banned in multiple formats for issues other than power.
I don't use the term "not fun to play against" because wotc has never banned cards due to unfunness.
If you want a pretty recent example take a look at Sensei's Divining Top and it's ban in Modern.
It was not overpowered or over represented in the format.
It did not send itself to a degenerative deck or combo.
It was not "unfun" in an abstract way.
So why was it banned?
Because it made tournaments take too long to finish. Every player with top would add 3-5 minutes in their turn sorting out their draws with top. Combine that with a 4,000 person GP with 8 rounds day 1 you have a massive problem.
So banning a card due to administrative issues such as time management or stalling has a precedent since shaharazad in Arabian Nights.
This is in no way catering to Timmy's stop being a scrub.
What a great post that probably still won't convince soft heads that the ban was about the slow gameplay and not "hur dur nexus isn't powerful why ban"