I said that with Rose being out basically two complete seasons in a row that the bulls should just move on since he won't ever be the same player he was with that much time spent away from the game (not even factoring two shitty knees). Ambituner then linked a Jordan pick as someone who had come back from a two year absence and was still playing at the same/better level then he did when he left. That isn't true, but he seems to think it is.
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Yep the Bulls definitely should have blown up the team and not resigned Jordan. Good call. Usually armchair GM is easy when you have hindsight on your side
So far off the point. Jordan being a lesser player then he was just means he was 5 times better then anyone else on the floor instead of ten or twenty times better. The same skill degradation from Rose in addition to probably never being physically right again would make him the third or fourth best player on the floor some nights. You just can't compare the two players at all.
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I never said or implied Rose was anywhere close to Jordan. Just the idea that 2 years is "too much" especially because Jordan was 32 when he came back and I think Rose is 25. Any degradation in ability would be based on his knees and only his knees
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Yeah, didn'tquiteget away with it
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KD tonight: 32 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists, 4 blocks and 4 steals in a win over Minnesota.
Joins Michael Jordan as the only player in NBA history with 30+ points, 10+ rebounds, 10+ assists, 4+ blocks and 4+ steals since steals/blocks became official stats.
Joins Michael Jordan as the only player in NBA history with 30+ points, 10+ rebounds, 10+ assists, 4+ blocks and 4+ steals since steals/blocks became official stats.
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While we are talking about records, here is a question: Steals and blocks are counted since the mid-'70s and the only four quadruple double in the NBA happened between then and the mid-'90s, so what changed in the past 20 years for it to no longer occur? Or is it such a freak accident that looking at it from a statistical point of view is pointless?
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I'm going to guess it's because they stopped hand-checking and let defenses play zone. There was actually a ban on zone defenses in the NBA until the 2001-2002 season. I'd also say better practice and conditioning resulted in better ball handling and shooting that results in less blocks/steals.
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Plus in the last 10 years or so, guards have developed that little floater that nobody was doing before. Harder to block that shot.
I'd combine that with the overall quality of Centers in the league going down. I'm not going to look it up, but I think David Robinson has one of those quadruple-doubles and maybe Hakeem was another? We don't have centers like those guys anymore. Since that generation of Centers retired, we really haven't had more than 1-2 great centers in the league at one time. You had Shaq...1-2 years where Yao was really good. Howard now? Hibbert?
And it's just an insane accomplishment. It's not like 4 times in 20 years to 0 in 20 years is really a statistically significant drop-off when you consider how many games are played.