NVidia GeForce RTX 30x0 cards

Deathwing · Jul 27, 2022

Rental cars are whores, that's why they're frowned upon

mkopec · Jul 27, 2022

Like i said, and

Daidraco mentioned as well its all about that price. Right now they are easy to get for $100-$200 more so why even consider the miner card? A few months ago when they were going for $1500 second hand and you could not score one otherwise? Sure, that $600 is more reasonable.

Hateyou · Jul 27, 2022

Daidraco said:
There is no reason to buy one when its so close to the actual retail price, unless you're absolutely fucking broke. But even then, I agree with Breaks sentiment when it comes to used cards. Sort of how people that buy used cars, they frown at a car thats been used as a Rental. When in fact, that rental has probably been better taken care of than one that wasnt a rental. Someone could have been running a GPU in their shitty ass PC case that has fuck all for ventilation for comparison.

But again, if you can just spare the difference.. why would you even risk it if you can just get a new one?

Rental cars get good maintenance on them but people beat the living fuck out of them. I know people that curb them on purpose. Hit speed bumps at max speed on purpose. Keep them in low gear at high speeds. All kinds of stupid shit. Idc how much maintenance they get, they’ve got some hidden problems. Much like

Deathwing ’s whores he mentioned.

Break · Jul 27, 2022

mkopec said:
Like i said, and Daidraco mentioned as well its all about that price. Right now they are easy to get for $100-$200 more so why even consider the miner card? A few months ago when they were going for $1500 second hand and you could not score one otherwise? Sure, that $600 is more reasonable.

You could always try talking him down more.

spronk · Jul 27, 2022

Big Phoenix said:
Hope that shitbag loses as much as possible.

anyone who mined in 2021 pretty much covered the entire cost of their GPU in 4-6 months and everything after that was profit, so I doubt he is losing a penny. Anyone who bought a card to mine in 2022 is losing money though, especially with electricity up.

I know guys who bought gaming laptops for $2k last year and made enough eth to cover the laptop cost in under 6 months so a raw GPU would be even faster.

but yeah not worth buying unless its at a STEEP discount, like 50-75% off msrp. months and months at running 24x7 is gonna put a lot of wear and tear. If you do buy, you really would need to reapply thermal paste too.

Fucker · Jul 27, 2022

Break said:
What realistically breaks down first on graphics cards? It's all solid state except the cooler. I think the fear about mining cards is overblown, they're run hard but you'd think miners all care about the perf/watt more than anything and running them at max hash-rate and extremely hot is not nearly as profitable as keeping them medium-high.

Mining cards are IMO probably great for second hand buyers who take the supposed risk of buying them, I bet the vast majority of them will be replaced by with a newer card long before their old mining card dies simply because the platform is too old, not because their card is defective.

RGB compositors are usually the first to go, followed by the blit inverter.

For the silicon itself, electromigration. Letting something run hot 24x7 is outside their projected use design envelope and can shorten lifespan considerably...however long that would be.

After that, cheap capacitors and mosfets.

All these can be exacerbated by poor power design and bad cooling. Bad cooling can wildly shorten the lifespan of the GPU and ram.

Malakriss · Jul 27, 2022

Current prices are for the 12GB versions as well, so you are comparing used 10GBs gangbanged daily vs a fresh escort

Daidraco · Jul 27, 2022

Malakriss said:
Current prices are for the 12GB versions as well, so you are comparing used 10GBs gangbanged daily vs a fresh escort

I didnt even think to ask about the memory. Good catch!

rhinohelix · Jul 27, 2022

Fucker said:
RGB compositors are usually the first to go, followed by the blit inverter.

For the silicon itself, electromigration. Letting something run hot 24x7 is outside their projected use design envelope and can shorten lifespan considerably...however long that would be.

View attachment 424522

After that, cheap capacitors and mosfets.

All these can be exacerbated by poor power design and bad cooling. Bad cooling can wildly shorten the lifespan of the GPU and ram.

Serious question: Did they treat them like rental cars? Did they run them hot and heavy? I thought the miner way was to ostensibly undervolt and run them low and slow to minimize power use.

Mist · Jul 27, 2022

Fucker said:
RGB compositors are usually the first to go, followed by the blit inverter.

For the silicon itself, electromigration. Letting something run hot 24x7 is outside their projected use design envelope and can shorten lifespan considerably...however long that would be.

View attachment 424522

After that, cheap capacitors and mosfets.

All these can be exacerbated by poor power design and bad cooling. Bad cooling can wildly shorten the lifespan of the GPU and ram.

Realistically the first thing to go is that the thermal paste gets cracks in it from rapid expansion and cooling, which then causes you to have to repaste it, which causes most people to break their cards.

Tmac · Jul 27, 2022

spronk said:
before that try using DDU to do a full clean uninstall and reinstall of GPU drivers, that fixed weird graphic glitch issues for me in the past. nvidia drivers suck, although maybe not as bad as AMD

Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) download version 18.0.7.2

Download Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) - Remove AMD/NVIDIA/INTEL Graphics Drivers Cleanly - DDU is a driver removal utility that helps you completely uninstall AMD/NVIDIA graphics card drivers and packages from your system, leaving no leftovers behind, including registry keys, folders, files...

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Awesome, just installed, so we'll see!

[edit] So, no more lag, but it does take like 120 seconds longer to launch Warzone, which is weird.

Melicant · Jul 28, 2022

Tmac said:
Awesome, just installed, so we'll see!

[edit] So, no more lag, but it does take like 120 seconds longer to launch Warzone, which is weird.

Every time, or just the first time when it reinstalls all the shaders?

Tmac · Jul 28, 2022

Melicant said:
Every time, or just the first time when it reinstalls all the shaders?

First time was like 3 minute black screen, now there’s a much shorter delay, but longer than I’m used to.

Tripamang · Jul 30, 2022

Break said:
What realistically breaks down first on graphics cards? It's all solid state except the cooler. I think the fear about mining cards is overblown, they're run hard but you'd think miners all care about the perf/watt more than anything and running them at max hash-rate and extremely hot is not nearly as profitable as keeping them medium-high.

Mining cards are IMO probably great for second hand buyers who take the supposed risk of buying them, I bet the vast majority of them will be replaced by with a newer card long before their old mining card dies simply because the platform is too old, not because their card is defective.

I mined for years non stop with my 1080 and it did eventually stop working. I baked in a toaster oven as

Brahma suggested and it came back to life. This makes sense because one of the expected points of failure would be poor solder joints that eventually weaken and break under thermal load. Baking the board would of melted the solder and give it a chance to reconnect. Fans dying is another possible point of failure due to the constant use. On the other hand I mined on multiple AMD cards without issue for years, my gut says they're probably fine to buy and a serious failure before you're done with it is unlikely.

nu_11 · Jul 31, 2022

i head over to the logitech website to check out some new peripherals, and i'm blasted with this ad on the front page

i've been buying logitech for like 15 years but fuck this shit. looks like roccat has some stuff that catches my eye

Malakriss · Jul 31, 2022

nu_11 said:
i head over to the logitech website to check out some new peripherals, and i'm blasted with this ad on the front page

i've been buying logitech for like 15 years but fuck this shit. looks like roccat has some stuff that catches my eye

But their slogans are on point

Oldbased · Jul 31, 2022

Last fall I switched to a Roccat Kone mouse and RGB Roccat mouse pad.
Been pretty happy. The Logitech G501 is one of the most popular mice out there and mine was still good but I wanted change. Kone mouse fits my hand much better and I don't hit dps and other settings by accident anymore.

rhinohelix · Jul 31, 2022

Oldbased said:
Last fall I switched to a Roccat Kone mouse and RGB Roccat mouse pad.
Been pretty happy. The Logitech G501 is one of the most popular mice out there and mine was still good but I wanted change. Kone mouse fits my hand much better and I don't hit dps and other settings by accident anymore.

I *love* my Roccat Vulcan keyboard. I haven't seen hardly anyone talk about Roccat but if they made a Naga like mouse I would try it in a heartbeat. I don't know if I have ever loved a keyboard more. I am still using my Razer Naga Chroma 12 button mouse and have an extra for when this one starts to go.

Kirun · Jul 31, 2022

nu_11 said:
i head over to the logitech website to check out some new peripherals, and i'm blasted with this ad on the front page

View attachment 425373

i've been buying logitech for like 15 years but fuck this shit. looks like roccat has some stuff that catches my eye

Roccat's Syn Pro Air is the most comfortable headset I've ever worn. Problem is, the mic died on it after like a whopping 7 months, while my Void Pro is still kicking 5 years later and about a dozen different drops onto hardwood.

Lanx · Jul 31, 2022

Fucker said:
RGB compositors are usually the first to go, followed by the blit inverter.

For the silicon itself, electromigration. Letting something run hot 24x7 is outside their projected use design envelope and can shorten lifespan considerably...however long that would be.

View attachment 424522

After that, cheap capacitors and mosfets.

All these can be exacerbated by poor power design and bad cooling. Bad cooling can wildly shorten the lifespan of the GPU and ram.

the pcb itself also changes color and probably the traces are all fucked up, you see a lot of fucked miner boards on youtube where ppl buy "lots" of graphics cards and try to fix em, the miner cards are pretty much toast

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