NVidia GeForce RTX 50x0 cards - 70% performance increase, but AI > you

Nija said:

Each time this thread pops up I'm reminded that the next time anyone attempts to build a new PC, it will be back to like 1980s era pricing, where things were extremely expensive.

Everyone who paid < $1500 (maybe more?) for a video card in the past few years should hope and pray that it doesn't give up the ghost. The replacement for a similar level of performance will be a multiple of what you paid last time.

In short, you'll own nothing and be happy. By force. Stream the games, Jimmy. Pay per hour.

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I got lucky and built my rig about a month before ramageddon hit. I've been watching the prices for some of the pieces in that rig ever since. The GPU (9070xt) price has remained relatively stable, more or less the same. The ram went from $300 to $1800 and the SSD went from $200 to $500.

Hoping ramageddon is over (companies increasing production to meet demand) by 2030 to build a new rig and laptop.

Nija said:

Each time this thread pops up I'm reminded that the next time anyone attempts to build a new PC, it will be back to like 1980s era pricing, where things were extremely expensive.

Everyone who paid < $1500 (maybe more?) for a video card in the past few years should hope and pray that it doesn't give up the ghost. The replacement for a similar level of performance will be a multiple of what you paid last time.

In short, you'll own nothing and be happy. By force. Stream the games, Jimmy. Pay per hour.

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9070xt for 600 still felt right to me, but I game at 1440p.

No one needs a 5090. Just retards thinking they do. Or justifying it in some way. I even bought AMD just because fuck Nvidia.

Noodleface said:

9070xt for 600 still felt right to me, but I game at 1440p.

No one needs a 5090. Just retards thinking they do. Or justifying it in some way. I even bought AMD just because fuck Nvidia.

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i think the 5090 is just for 4k gaming, ai and art shit. i still game at 1080p, but next time i punch my monitor, im getting a 1440, surly the 9070xt can handle that. I've heard vr gaming is gpu intensive too, so i might end up being one of those retards with a 6090 ti super in 2030

Borzak said:

You think with the money Nvidia is making on AI now they just put the "C" team or even less on GPUs now?

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I'm surprised they haven't exited the consumer GPU market. As it is, the next gen is 2 years away.

Fucker said:

I'm surprised they haven't exited the consumer GPU market. As it is, the next gen is 2 years away.

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they make $6-10 billion profit per year on gaming gpus, they aren't going to abandon that. If they moved their best people over to AI gpus and they lose market share to competitors and gaming gpu profits dwindle, they might abandon gaming in that distant future.

Grez said:

they make $6-10 billion profit per year on gaming gpus, they aren't going to abandon that. If they moved their best people over to AI gpus and they lose market share to competitors and gaming gpu profits dwindle, they might abandon gaming in that distant future.

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And datacenter profit is $193.7B. Every die they make for RTX is a die that isn't sold at much higher profit datacenter part.

Fucker said:

And datacenter profit is $193.7B. Every die they make for RTX is a die that isn't sold at much higher profit datacenter part.

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They also have to take the long view in that the gaming market has remained stable for the last 30+ years, while AI is new and uncertain. By going all-in with AI now and abandoning gaming, they could be destroying themselves in the future if AI ends up a giant flop. TSMC must be under huge pressure right now to up-scale production.

Springbok said:

Even if they abandon it in all but name, someone will move to fill that as 10bb is a significant business on its own, and pc gaming is still growing. Problem is like intel learned, it takes time and a ton of resources to stand up that business but id be over the moon with a new entrant

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Except you still need dies. It doesn't matter how badly somebody wants to enter the market if they have no way to manufacturer dies.

Borzak said:

You think with the money Nvidia is making on AI now they just put the "C" team or even less on GPUs now?

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They certainly put the C team on the drivers, and then told them it didn't matter if they didn't know how to write drivers, they can use AI to write them.

Kirun said:

Except you still need dies. It doesn't matter how badly somebody wants to enter the market if they have no way to manufacturer dies.

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Also, if the AI market is so profitable that nvidia don't even both considering consumer market, why would anyone got after that rather than after the more valuable AI market ?

Grez said:

They also have to take the long view in that the gaming market has remained stable for the last 30+ years, while AI is new and uncertain. By going all-in with AI now and abandoning gaming, they could be destroying themselves in the future if AI ends up a giant flop. TSMC must be under huge pressure right now to up-scale production.

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Companies don't take the long view. Where you been the last 40 years? They will slowly abandon Consumer GPUs. They even pushed back their *latest* GPU's.

As long as "AI" chips are on the same process node as current GPUs and have higher profit margins, Nvidia has no incentive to prioritize GPU production. Hell, they can be sued by their own stockholders for not engaging in a strategy that maximizes profits.

It's not like Nvidia needs to worry about the GeForce brand being tarnished in even the medium term - in the last two years we've seen consumers buy out all available units of both Intel's Battlemage and AMD's 9000 series, despite drivers / features that were significantly behind Nvidia's.

Unless / until Nvidia is 100% AI focused for the _years_ it would take AMD to put out GPUs that had both better performance and better profit margins than GeForce, AND there was a worldwide AI demand collapse that freed up Nvidia's fab space, Nvidia has no reason to prioritize GeForce production or development. Hell, even in that case, Nvidia would just put out Supers in the short term and dust off their 6000 designs to go to fab to retake the crown in a quarter or two.

(The actual issue is that new fab tech is both very difficult and expensive, and that overcapacity is a bigger threat to that industry than undercapacity - the low memory prices we've been used to were really another period of the industry having more fabs than demand, not long term stable pricing.)

*FYI: Xbox announced they are raising prices again yesterday. That's not a shocker - if their current contract for memory is over, the new contract is going to charge Microsoft more - but that in their press release, MS stated they expect memory prices to continue to rise through the end of 2027 still.