Overwatch

shes been nice to counter genjis and tracers, but yeah she is super annoying almost like if the enemy team has one you have to have one too so itll be nice to not have that feeling, but then tracer and genji are gonna rape me as zenyatta now, so back to moira if i heal.

i always shield bash then whip shot usually is the killing blow on like a tracer or a genji, so that wont happen anymore. people will get away easier and then shell have bash on cooldown now, wont be any fun to play her, at least for me. i play her to kill people and still not take up a dps slot incase im playing like crap, but cant play like crap when you can kill someone in a stun =P

I don't think the damage reduction on bash is what will hurt her the most, I think the bash not going through barrier will have a much worse impact on her.

The damage reduction will make it so she can't easily kill a tracer or genji, but it will still very much be a deterrent against both. She's going to counter dive, as stunning a diving Winston or D'va will still be possible, and it's not the 50 damage she did that killed them, it's the other 400-500 damage that the rest of the team did. Even just whip shot displacing a diving winston, d'va, tracer or genji will make an attack more difficult.

I'm curious as to how the healing buff will affect her healing though. It's a 25% buff to the healing on Inspire from 80 to 100, and increase duration from 5s to 6s. It seems like it could be a decent buff.

The thing is she will still be annoying to play against, you might not die as much to her, but you will get stunned just as much unless you're Reinhardt or behind a shield. Don't think it will change much against Winston or Orissa since their shield are static and it's easy to walk around them before shield bashing.

I think a good tracer or genji will just wipe the floor with you after the stun, theres no longer the fear of dying in a stun, i mean they already could recall out of it or have an orb on them in the first place but now its just like okay stun me brigette and let me get on with killing your healers since you cant catch me or kill me in a stun. at this point it'd be better to be a lucio or zen to counter genji's ult than a brig. i dont think the healing boost will be enough, shes already a weak healer, like a "third" string healer if you ask me, now you're making her suck more and barely increasing her healing.

she's going to be the torbjorn 1.0 everyone will be looking at you for throwing the game if you dont swap off her for a stronger healer. if youre fighting a mercy/moira or mercy/ana or moira/ana and your team has a brig healer + mercy/moira/ana you'll be at a disadvantage, and now your stun wont work through barriers and it wont do much damage so going into enemy lines to kill a healer wont be a guarantee anymore, mercy will fly away, moira fade away, youll probably get ana lucio or zen but its going to be a bitch without that stun damage. at that point just go zen or ana for long range damage or play an actual dps.

I still think they need to introduce more heroes quickly so they can have a ban phase where 2-3 heroes are banned. That will most likely create a more diverse meta, and reduce the amount of one tricks. It won’t be a perfect solution but it would be a good start I think.

Idk I've been messing with roadhog but lot of anas now so that negates your heal if youre in line of sight. but we'll see.

29 heroes in OW, 2 bans each = 4 total = 14% of the roster.

4 bans can cripple a role. There are only 6 support heroes for example.

1-tricks will get targeted, adding to toxicity.

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1 ban per team would probably be it, but then who decides the ban? Just adds more toxicity... "I told you to ban X !".
Seen this 1000000 times in League when all bans were decided by 1st pick.
If it's a vote process, maybe it'll be a little better, but what happens if it's not a decisive vote?

I do agree that bans could help eventually, but you probably need a roster of at least 40 (11 more heroes).

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I wonder if OW should experiment with a Pick phase. For example, every team can pick 12 heroes, which would mean every player can pick 2 heroes to add to the team's hero pool. Then during the game only those 12 are available, but can be used by any player on the team. So if I add Mei to the pool, all players on my team could access her (if she's not already being played)

Pick Phase might be 3 picks per turn. So after 4 rounds you get your 12 total. Could incorporate a ban phase which would be more fair after 1st round of picks so that one-tricks don't get countered so hard.

Of course this would increase the time it takes to get into games, so it would need to be a new competitive mode. (Tournament Mode?)

Interesting observation from IDDQD about the nerfs on the PTR. Other pros seems to agree that the nerf will not affect GOATS, and Brigitte is essential to GOATS so she will still be played a lot as GOATS is the meta right now.

First the nerfs to Doomfist make GOATS stronger as he is one of the counter to GOATS.

Second the nerf to Brigitte will not have an effect on GOATS since her shield bash damage isn't what makes GOATS viable in the first place.

Third the nerf to Brigitte makes Reinhardt stronger since bashing him through his shield is a MAJOR counter to Reinhardt, and a stronger Reinhardt will just make GOATS even harder to counter.

So expect tons of GOATS vs GOATS with battles lasting even longer than currently.

Not sure if that's how it will pan out, but it's an interesting perspective in any case

Ive been away from OW so long I have no idea what GOATS even is

I wouldn't mind a separate game mode with banned heroes. The only people that can join it though are those with 10 hours played with 6 different heroes. I figure that's enough time to get comfortable with multiple heroes. Just see how that goes and if it goes well add it in to competitive.