Ozark

I'm fine with the ending. It was always a possibility and wasn't dumb shit out of left field like GoT.

My main issue is everyone going full retard at the end. Like Ruth taking the casino away from the cartel as a way of turning her life around.

yeah. not quite done yet. I don't think its quite as bad as others have said so far. its not great. yes, alot of full retard to seem to push the story in a particular direction.
Ruth not killing Wendy for some reason. Ruth taking over the casino, instead of just peacing off. Camille just flying around the US, like Javi, without the FBI giving any shit, or knowing about it. more cartel heads just showing up to peoples houses alone.
javi dies, and suddenly a crew shows up at Claires to question her. lol. where the fuck was this crew before? etc, etc. I considered making a list as I was watching. but didnt, and can't pull up point by point, dumb shit..
oh right, "I'll kill you if you try to take my children!" ok, "well I know you are involved with drugs, laundering, and cartels, so, I'll take the kids and hang out in this motel for the next 7 days in town. do you need the address?" Why the fuck was the grandad not on a plane with the kids that fucking afternoon? Straight from the court to the airport. I guess he needed to stick around a bit to start drinking, and turn into a raging lunatic himself.

Marty having weakness for women, can explain Camille.

They even ramp Wendy's insanity to 11. it does not portray her in a positive light at all.


I think the "girl power" thing.. there is something to be said. 2 female judges, ruth, wendy, claire, rachel, camille. 2 female FBI agents as primary contacts. kc mob is like the only group without a female lead in the last season. The characters themselves do fit their stories though. non are infallible, or anything.

Butthurt said:

The ending was fitting. The Byrdes were leftist Chicago snobs that went down to the Ozarks and stomped all over working class whites to get what they wanted, which was essentially to run a “foundation” in Chicagoland of all places to buy politicians.

Fitting commentary on American politics.

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Good points.

I was still hoping for Ruth to somehow come out on top.

Oh well. The series had an ending, better than most in the current era.

Falxy-US said:

Would you say that Wendy ultimately killed Ruth? Like bc Wendy made the call to allow Ruth to shoot the dude, and that got Ruth killed.

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I'm sure there's a better case to blame Wendy for Ruth getting killed than a phone call she was forced to make at gunpoint

I gave up on this after the second episode of the final season so I have no idea how it ended. That being said I'm comfortable with blaming Wendy for everything

Ambiturner said:

I'm sure there's a better case to blame Wendy for Ruth getting killed than a phone call she was forced to make at gunpoint

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The best case is Wendy put Javi's sister in the position to take over the cartel. Marty wanted nothing to do with her and Wendy went over him. That led to the sequence of events to where Ruth gets outed as Javi's killer and puts Camile in the position to kill Ruth.

Pretty much agree with the end result of rich and powerful win no matter what. That last dialogue is Roy telling Wendy that you can't just get away with it and win and her answer was 'why not' which encapsulates the entire series.

Animosity said:

Wendy and Skylar from Breaking Bad should both be gunned down.

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I just finished binging S1-S4 this last week (I actually got up to S01 E08 a while ago, so just resumed from there) and it was obvious you guys would be bitching about Wendy. You're the one getting quoted because you mentioned Skylar and they're basically different sides of the same coin

Their husbands got involved in criminal behaviour - Skylar went along with it for a bit but couldn't take it. Wendy went full bad, if not more than Marty. You don't get to bitch about each character and how they responded to their husbands actions. You either want them to be the supportive, co-operative wife (Wendy) or not (Skylar). What exactly is the middle ground here or the least bad option here?

Edit: oh god, just reading the rest and people are actually bitching about the amount of women characters now?


Final season was too long and dragged. Psycho nephew, private detective and grandfather were cliche characters, but the showrunners avoided a game of thrones esque ending disaster

Ossoi said:

Their husbands got involved in criminal behaviour - Skylar went along with it for a bit but couldn't take it. Wendy went full bad, if not more than Marty. You don't get to bitch about each character and how they responded to their husbands actions. You either want them to be the supportive, co-operative wife (Wendy) or not (Skylar). What exactly is the middle ground here or the least bad option here?

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Oh, I don't know, being supportive without being a psychotic retard?

Drinsic said:

Oh, I don't know, being supportive without being a psychotic retard?

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It's just a necessity of story telling.

You have a male protagonist who is married with a family. At some point, when you're looking for ideas to write the 2nd, 3rd or 4th or Xth season that your network commissioned after your one series script was a hit, then the easy option is to make the family members a side plot eg the kid is flunking school, caught up with a bad crowd, running away etc

Wendy was generally supportive and bought into the cartel stuff. They introduced a few marriage issues but it's no surprise that they introduced a mentally ill brother and a toxic grandfather to fill the "family issue" void

How dull would a show be if the wife went complictly and compliantly to EVERYthing.

Series 1 started with Marty discovering her affair, so she was cucking him before the show even started. This continued throughout season 4 to the extent that other characters could pick up that Marty had a problem standing up to her

Thing about Wendy is she's supposed to be an unlikeable cunt.

The very first episode Marty's watching a video of her fucking another man. Then the entire last season is everyone talking about how terrible she is.

Skylar was bad because she's also a cunt, but the actress actually had the gall to bitch that it's just because the audience couldn't handle a strong woman character.

What I don't get is people talking about how terrible they are and they shouldn't get away with what they did.

Sure, fuck Wendy, but when did we decide Marty was apart or all of this by choice? Did I miss something and there was a point he could have walked away without getting him, and probably his family, killed?

To be fair, Marty is the one who got them into the entire mess. He committed the original sin. If he never decided to take the job when he knew it was illegal money laundering, they'd all be a rich spoiled family. Later on, Wendy definitely was the one more willing to get more deeply entangled instead of keeping the family safe.

On a side note, did anyone else think the whole car crash thing was stupid and pointless? They start the last season out with that and you think it's going to be something momentous in some way and it turns out to be absolutely nothing.

well, I mean, Marty would have been dead if he didn't start laundering money for them.

there were a few escape points throughout the series. They agreed as a couple to stay in, and get rich.

yeah, someone else commented the car crash. very odd. In theory it was supposed to be a parable of them, getting sidelined by disaster out of nowhere, and coming out unscathed? Idk... maybe.. who the fuck knows. If it were, the flash forward still served no purpose. so, just seems like forced anticipation, and they had money to burn.

DickTrickle said:

To be fair, Marty is the one who got them into the entire mess. He committed the original sin. If he never decided to take the job when he knew it was illegal money laundering, they'd all be a rich spoiled family. Later on, Wendy definitely was the one more willing to get more deeply entangled instead of keeping the family safe.

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The "original sin" was Marty's partner skimming from the cartel without Marty's knowledge. Marty pulled the laundering thing out of his ass as he was on his knees about to be executed.

Ambiturner said:

The "original sin" was Marty's partner skimming from the cartel without Marty's knowledge. Marty pulled the laundering thing out of his ass as he was on his knees about to be executed.

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His firm was laundering for the cartel way before he made up the Ozark stuff. When the cartel was going around to the various accounting firms, Marty was the only one who saw what they were doing with the books they presented. He knew what was going on and willfully chose to be part of it. That's when he got his family involved with the cartel because he got involved with cartel. He could have walked away.

DickTrickle said:

His firm was laundering for the cartel way before he made up the Ozark stuff. When the cartel was going around to the various accounting firms, Marty was the only one who saw what they were doing with the books they presented. He knew what was going on and willfully chose to be part of it. That's when he got his family involved with the cartel because he got involved with cartel. He could have walked away.

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Was that revealed later and I missed it?

Looking it up it says he turned the cartel down but then Wendy made him do it? Like she couldn't be any more unlikeable

Ambiturner said:

Was that revealed later and I missed it?

Looking it up it says he turned the cartel down but then Wendy made him do it? Like she couldn't be any more unlikeable

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This has a very detailed recap of the episode if you're interested: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.showbizjunkies.com/tv/ozark-season-1-episode-8-recap/amp/

I did rewatch part of the episode and Wendy didn't make him do it. He turned it down at first but later took a vacation that Del gave them and he reconsidered. He clearly wanted to in conversations with Bruce and Del but thought Wendy would be against it (so he was wanting it before she knew anything). She was slightly against it at first but then got on board with Marty clearly wanting it. So I guess she gave her permission but Marty was the driving force.

Fwiw, I had forgotten that Wendy knew about his decision so she definitely was at least aware of the beginning.