Paleo 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman

Aychamo BanBan

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^ I love it. You thought you were making some point saying "epidemiological studies!!" But you don't even understand what that means, and can't even classify the studies precisely. And when challenged with experimental design, you fail pathetically. I'm dominating you so hard you may as well adopt my last name. Keep in mind lipid management is 0.000001% of what I do on a daily basis.

Just as pathetic as Dumbshit-el posting a study he didn't read and referencing a sentence in the discussion as the conclusion, etc. Give a retard the Internet and he becomes a scientist.
 

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you'd have to monitor the subjects' macronutrient ratios and ensure they ate quality saturated fats. you do realize there have never been any significant double-blind studies on conventional dietary recommendations, right?
 

Aychamo BanBan

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you'd have to monitor the subjects' macronutrient ratios and ensure they ate quality saturated fats. you do realize there have never been any significant double-blind studies on conventional dietary recommendations, right?
OMFG Lol that's not an experimental design. Admit it, you are not a "lipid researcher". I doubt you're more advanced than freshman biology. The sentence you just wrote is so fucking sophomoric and naive that no one remotely attached to the scientific community would write it.

And yes, that's precisely why your "epidemiological studies!!11!!" gambit is fucking nonsense. It's virtually impossible to design a reasonable RCT for diet. That's why they are almost invariably observational. So, go ahead and rethink your retarded "rebuttal" of the studies that contradict your poor lifestyle.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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you keep posting studies that you don't understand. i'm pretty sure you're retarded.
Lol. I love your "reverse psychology," I destroy you by pointing out everything you're saying is wrong and bust you on your retarded lies, and you're only comeback is thatIdon't understand what I'm posting. Sure, buddy. Keep telling yourself that, "lipid researcher."
 

Aychamo BanBan

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list some of the benefits of saturated fats, "doctor"
Actually this is a great learning opportunity. Everyone should google "benefits of saturated fats" and see which psychotic websites pop up. Joe Mercola, one of the biggest quacks and rip-off artists in "medicine." Sally Fallon and the Weston A. Price foundation, who claim LDLs are irrelevant and other retarded shit, such as its a really healthy to have high serum LDLs. One of their board members died ofa heart attack at 39 or 40 - lol. Lew Rockwell, a retard, and a stupid coconut oil website. It's amazing how search engines can be manipulated and these (literally) psychotic quacks get listed up top.

Sally Fallon's WAPF site has some truly hilarious advice. You'd almost believe it was a compote parody because almost everything written there is wrong. Their "research" is usually published and references Mary Enig, a "lipid researcher" who was really smart and then went down the wrong path and never looked back. Funny because she cites her own papers to support her other garbage. A bit circular if you get my drift!

Edit: He pointed out google search results are not universal. Still, worth it to look up those websites.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2926059/

Cholesterol synthesized in the body or ingested is an essential lipid component for human survival from our earliest life. Newborns ingest about 3-4 times the amount per body weight through mother's milk compared to the dietary intake of adults. A birth level of 1.7 mmol/L plasma total cholesterol will increase to 4-4.5 mmol/L during the nursing period and continue to increase from adulthood around 40% throughout life. Coronary artery disease and other metabolic disorders are strongly associated with low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol as well as triacylglycerol concentration. Milk fat contains a broad range of fatty acids and some have a negative impact on the cholesterol rich lipoproteins. The saturated fatty acids (SFAs), such as palmitic acid (C16:0), myristic acid (C14:0), and lauric acid (C12:0), increase total plasma cholesterol, especially LDL, and constitute 11.3 g/L of bovine milk, which is 44.8% of total fatty acid in milk fat. Replacement of dairy SFA and trans-fatty acids with polyunsaturated fatty acids decreases plasma cholesterol, especially LDL cholesterol, and is associated with a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease. Available data shows different effects on lipoproteins for different dairy products and there is uncertainty as to the impact a reasonable intake amount of dairy items has on cardiovascular risk. The aim of this review is to elucidate the effect of milk components and dairy products on total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, and the LDL/HDL quotients. Based on eight recent randomized control trials of parallel or cross-over design and recent reviews it can be concluded that replacement of saturated fat mainly (but not exclusively) derived from high-fat dairy products with low-fat dairy products lowers LDL/HDL cholesterol and total/HDL cholesterol ratios. Whey, dairy fractions enriched in polar lipids, and techniques such as fermentation, or fortification of cows feeding can be used to produce dairy products with more beneficial effects on plasma lipid profile.
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Dairy fat contains a high concentration of SFA and since dairy products are a considerable part of habitual diets, they have also generally been a target for restriction advice in order to reduce intake of saturated fat. Intake of saturated fat with chain length C12-C16 and tFA increases plasma LDL which is an independent risk factor for CVD. The presence of tFA in dairy fat increases the LDL/HDL linearly with dose and, theoretically, by lowering the tFA intake by 0.5% of energy, this might reduce the cardiovascular risk by 1.5-6%. Palmitic acid is the predominant fatty acid in milk fat and increases the LDL:HDL ratio more than lauric and myristic acids do. It can be calculated how much a change in SFA intake will affect the LDL cholesterol and the risk of developing CVD. By substituting 30 g of butter per day containing about 11 g of SFA with a margarine rich in unsaturated fatty acids containing 2.4 g of SFA, would reduce LDL cholesterol by 0.2 mmol/L and subsequently reduce the risk of CVD in the order of 6-10%. In light of this, the increase of 4.9 g/day SFA intake in the milk group in the study by Wennersberg resulted in a slight increase in LDL cholesterol of 0.1 mmol/L. In some cohorts with a rather high baseline intake of dairy fat, correlations between dairy intake and plasma cholesterol would therefore be scarce. However, dairy SFA is not only C12-C16, but around 25% is represented by short- and medium-chain fatty acids, which have the ability to affect the digestion of milk fat already in the stomach through digestion by gastric lipase and isomerization of fatty acids in the partially hydrolyzed TG. It is necessary to distinguish between the effects of butter and other dairy products, since butter increases plasma cholesterol, especially LDL cholesterol, more than other dairy products. Dairy fat raises both LDL and HDL cholesterol, but the evidence for a detrimental effect of high plasma LDL levels is stronger than the positive effects from an increased HDL concentration. Intervention studies that focus on reducing dairy fat intake and other studies as well, must be aware of the effect on HDL cholesterol, both regarding size and concentration, since a reduction in HDL size and concentration may not improve health or reduce CVD risks.

On the basis of controlled and randomized dietary intervention studies with different dairy products and recent meta-analyses of both epidemiological and controlled studies, the present approach to limit the intake of high-fat dairy products on behalf of low-fat products is unchallenged. A reasonable intake of cheese, low-fat and fermented milk reduced plasma cholesterol levels, mainly LDL cholesterol, in the order of 3-15% compared to butter or other high-fat dairy products, but not compared to nutrients containing more PUFA. The levels of milk components, e.g. MUFA, MCFA, and other polar lipids, have little individual impact on plasma cholesterol concentrations, but there are only few studies for consensus and no studies on concerted action of selected components. There is still no satisfactory explanation for the term 'milk factor,' although some unknown mechanism might yet be found in the interaction between calcium, proteins, lactose, and fatty acids.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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Worth noting that Google search is targeted and filtered, people will get different results from the same search based on their past search history. So that really doesn't reflect anything besides your personal habits(For instance, only the coconut oil one you mentioned appears on first page for me).
Ah, that is news to me. Also explains all the tranny porn sites! Thank you.
 

Aychamo BanBan

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As shit up as this thread has become, that actually made me laugh.
Well, I'm done shitting up this thread. I think I've proven that the two retards advocating this shit are completely clueless. They don't know the basics of interpreting scientific information, they can't speak remotely intelligently on the subject at hand, and are unable to respond to even elementary questions. At every turn they've been clueless and completely unable to respond. Dashel failed to even read his shit before posting, and supertouch couldn't even respond once called out on his moronic gambit. And then oddly adopted a new job title. Lol.
 

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I don't know if I love or hate Aychamo in this thread, but I do know that if I found out my doctor used that avatar on a message board, I would be concerned.
 

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Ayachamo reads to me like he's from the Internet of 1999 with all of that "I destroyed you" stuff.
 

Big Phoenix

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Well it isnt hard to destroy the reasoning and foundation of "paleo" dieting/lifestyle. Should just be called carbs are evil diet.
 

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Can someone post a study on why toasted coconut is so fucking good on chocolate ice cream GOD DAMN SON THAT SHIT IS HOT.
You're from Philly right? Try the fried ice cream at las margaritas. Shits amazing and the coconut shavings put it over the top!