Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

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Dahkoht_sl

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Bruman_sl said:
Most developers worth a shit can handle the basics. A developer who can't set up Outlook needs a new career. Most good devs can handle the basics - set up your database server, set up your webserver, set up the security properly, etc. Depending on the language and environment you're developing in, a lot of what you do to even be able to develop locally is the same as setting it up for public access. One of the best traits of a good developer is, as you said - being able to figure it out, learn, adapt, and do it correctly. Many developers can manage your SAN, optimize the database, etc, very well also.

That said - the bigger your enterprise, the better off you are looking at specialized roles (to an extent - you don't want to go too far trying to make your software shop looking like an assembly line). But generally if you're going to needing your entire infrastructure to be virtualized, multiple redundancies, a TB database with backups handling 100 concurrent users, a data warehouse solution, etc - then you'll be looking more towards either outsourcing or hiring those specific roles, so your developers can spend more time writing software. Everyone though should still be working together as a team and in contact all the time, and knowing what the other is doing - skipping this often creates a lot of friction and issues in production, finger-pointing, and general animosity.
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Thanks for that tidbit also , just being on the Engineering IT side for 15 years now I've wondered some things like this.

Maybe you are right on the gaming developers side , but I can tell you first hand on non gaming developers/coders I've found it far more common they are lost when it comes to something simple like an Outlook profile. Which always struck me odd.

Although the running joke on the pure engineer side is making fun of web designers who run their own business. Used to shock me that a web designer wouldn't know what a DNS server was , nowadays though we know that when a client gets a web developer/host involved and lets them have access to anything , MX records to everything else will be immediately hosed.
 
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Dahkoht_sl said:
Genuine question for those of you who have worked around the industry on the gaming development side of things. On the "engineer" side of things I've always wondered if they have them around and what do they do? I get the difference between designers/coders/artist etc , but have always been curious on the actual networking/infrastructure side of things.
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In the context of gaming, I read engineers as software engineers. There's a difference between a software engineer and a coder. A software engineer is trained to perform the same kind of due diligence that a structural engineer would when building a bridge. Most of the work is actually modelling, testing and analysis. In my armchaired opinion, a credible team should have at least one bona fide computer scientist--or equivalent. Not all do.
 
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Quaid_sl said:
Extremely positive. That 'night shot' made my anus quiver with despair.
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ha you missed Vu's update at the bottom=P

I actually like the details of the dungeon. A lot of us talked about wanting traps and hidden doors to return.
 
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Convo_sl said:
ha you missed Vu's update at the bottom=P

I actually like the details of the dungeon. A lot of us talked about wanting traps and hidden doors to return.
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Ya, I just saw what was in the initial update email to backers and almost punched a hole in my mancave wall
 
Bruman

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Dahkoht_sl said:
Gotcha , that clears that up , all the programmers we've been around were coding experts like I said but knowledge ended there and vice versa from what we referred to as engineers ourselves.

If don't mind one last highjack question (promise last one ) , on the programmers side , are there any that are experts in the networking part of the code , as in the low end part that hands off the data tying in with the TCP/IP stack , a networking programmer specialist I guess , or is there not much to that and coders just keep it following certain standards that are universal to hand it off ?
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Developers all have stronger and weaker suits. You aim to be "T-shaped" in your a skill set. You can do anything, but are more of an expect in a certain area. Usually there's a team, people spread around the work, and colloborate a lot (on healthy teams, at least). Depending on deadlines and time for learning will decide who spends more time on what area. Even small teams often try to have some sort of pair programming / peer review / team review of code as well. As far as official titles, no, not really as far the industry as a whole. The software development industry is really young however.
 
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Vandyn_sl said:
I figured it wasn't, although I'm not sure why the caption above it says it's a night shot then:

Vu's been working hard on the Sunken Sanctum this week, and he just sent over some current screenshots of the area just outside of the dungeon's entrance. You'll see anight timeand a day time capture of the area below.
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Because the guy making the captions and the guy making the screenshots aren't the same person and "night time" sounds a lot more sensible.
 
DickTrickle

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I don't think it's so crazy that a software engineer wouldn't know how to do something in Outlook. If you've never done that before, you might not (though you could probably figure it out). Honestly, why the hell would a software engineer be doing that anyway? That's usually IT department setting that stuff up anyway.
 
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What's interesting about today is although it's made ok money so far (11k) due to the screenshots/enviroment effects article, the number of backers has not gone up (37 for today). It's more like people who already backed upped their pledge.
 
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Jimbolini_sl said:
Bah...not you Gogojira. Hang in there
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My $45 stays from here until the end and I continue to want this to succeed for a number of reasons. The disconnect with how Kickstarter operates and the complete lack of preparedness is disheartening though. If Visionary Realms wants me to bump it up it's on them to convince me I should.

I'm not trying to bum anyone out, but at the present point I don't feel comfortable contributing more.
 
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Troy_Costisick_sl said:
Because the guy making the captions and the guy making the screenshots aren't the same person and "night time" sounds a lot more sensible.
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Lol, ok fine. I just hope people weren't surprised that some freaked out when they saw that 'night' shot, since that's how it was posted.
 
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The Lore update is alluding to the fact that we played MMO's before (once were hero's) and we've been chosen by Nexus to enter Pantheon / Terminus (to play as our next MMO).
Also from this I would assume lots of nods to old equipment
But their ties to Terminus not only rest in chunks of home worlds, but also the legendary artifacts that each hero once called their own. Lost in the world of worlds, their artifacts wait to be reclaimed, as do those of other heroes that were not so fortunate to find refuge upon the world of Terminus.
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bayr_sl

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an accordion_sl said:
No, this kickstarter is so they can hire the people to work on shark week.
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Give us money so we can hire people to work on Shark Week if we find more money at a later date while having no plans in place to secure this extra money. In fact while having no plans at all. Just give us money to not work on something.
 
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