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One good thing is last year he got a 1:1 paraprofessional at school that works with him everyday and that has helped. The biggest benefit is if you catch him getting worked up early you can usually deflect the behavior and talk him off the ledge. I'm hoping we see more benefits from that this year.

That's generally a good strategy; sounds like they know what they are doing.

Similar principle applies to people with anxiety issues; it's a lot easier to address when someone is just starting to get ratcheted up instead of when they are in a full-blown panic attack. When I had my de-escalation training, we always broke arousal down into 4 stages, with "productive anxiety or arousal" being a +1 (this would be like someone focusing intently on a test), mild anxiety being a +2, moderate being a +3, and full-blown panic being a +4.

You can talk and reason with people who are +2, although you want to be conscious about what you say to avoid ratcheting them up further; +3s can't really carry on a full-blown rational conversation, but you can give them simple directions (i.e. "breathe in," "breathe out", etc), and +4s, you basically have to just minimize damage and let them "blow off" to a +3 or lower by themselves (or use meds).
 

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Not chess but he's in a few social skills groups. He plays with kids there, but none that he'd call a friend.

It's funny because he's a grumpy old man and tells us all the time board games are boring as shit and he hates them.

In terms of personality tests.. eh. He's in ABA and counseling and stuff. It isn't his personality that I think is the problem, but when he has outbursts I think it scares kids away. He sees red and immediately goes ape shit. He's 8 mind you, so other kids aren't equipped to handle this.

One good thing is last year he got a 1:1 paraprofessional at school that works with him everyday and that has helped. The biggest benefit is if you catch him getting worked up early you can usually deflect the behavior and talk him off the ledge. I'm hoping we see more benefits from that this year.
There’s a couple kids in my neighborhood with Oppositional Defiant Disorder and they definitely have problems making friends because the kids don’t want to be around them due to their ridiculous outbursts. They’re little shitheads that antagonize people then when they get a negative reaction they go apeshit and are uncontrollable. Doesn’t sound like your kid is that extreme but definitely understand how outbursts make other kids not want to be around them.
 

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Kids go dance camp for the weekend. Maybe I get some sleep tonight.
 
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My daughter (10) practices jiu jitsu. A friend that she was training with told my daughter that her dad hits and kicks her at home when she doesn't execute the techniques properly in sparring, and will also withhold food. "But only when Mom isn't around." I've seen this girl crying during class when she doesn't win in sparring, and her dad has been on my radar in the past as being weirdly intense. I've seen him berating his kid after class in a way that seemed totally inappropriate, if not exactly dangerous in the moment.

I spoke discreetly to the coaches and they had also overheard my daughter's conversation and shared a similar impression of the dad. None of us thought it was a great idea to confront the dad, as that would almost certainly create blowback on the girl. Short of calling CPS, it seems the obvious next step would be to try to talk to the girl and/or mom when dad wasn't present for direct confirmation.

Shitty situation, but I'm not sure what else there is to do without the potential for being explosively wrong. Suggestions welcome.
 
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My daughter (10) practices jiu jitsu. A friend that she was training with told my daughter that her dad hits her at home when she doesn't execute the moves properly in sparring, and will also withhold food. "But only when Mom isn't around." I've seen this girl crying during class when she doesn't win in sparring, and her dad has been on my radar in the past as being weirdly intense. I've seen him berating his kid after class in a way that seemed totally inappropriate, if not exactly dangerous in the moment.

I spoke discreetly to the coaches and they had also overheard my daughter's conversation and shared a similar impression of the dad. None of us thought it was a great idea to confront the dad, as that would almost certainly create blowback on the girl. Short of calling CPS, it seems the obvious next step would be to try to talk to the girl and/or mom when dad wasn't present for direct confirmation.

Shitty situation, but I'm not sure what else there is to do without the potential for being explosively wrong. Suggestions welcome.
You could also cause the same problem by telling the mom. Some women will back their man no matter what. She gets pissed off at you, tell the dad what you said, blowback on you and the girl.

I say this from experience. I had an alcoholic abusive step-dad. In 4th grade I was having problems sitting in the chair cause my back hurt. Teacher pulls up my shirt and I’m all bruised from closed fist punches. Counselor gets involved, mom gets a call at work and has to come to the school. Mom was mad at the counselor, mad at me, defended him and was telling her to mind her own business. I got no help, mom spanked me when I got home for making her leave work.

But…I’d probably tell the mom. The girl is kind of asking for help by telling people about it. I wish someone would’ve helped me back then. Living through that kind of abuse was terrifying. Years of living in fear. I wouldn’t worry about blowback to myself but blowback on the girl. If you see it happens, fuck them, call CPS.
 
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If you see it happens, fuck them, call CPS.

I've trained myself for almost 25 years. If I see anything happen in my presence I'm tying the guy in a knot with his head up his ass and sitting on him until police arrive. This girl is one of my daughter's friends and a real sweetheart. Makes me angrier the more I think about it.
 
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I would hopefully not pussy out and call CPS assuming I could remain anonymous.

They probably won’t help but it still starts a papertrail and maybe wake up call for the mom.


Kids go dance camp for the weekend. Maybe I get some sleep tonight.

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My daughter (10) practices jiu jitsu. A friend that she was training with told my daughter that her dad hits and kicks her at home when she doesn't execute the techniques properly in sparring, and will also withhold food. "But only when Mom isn't around." I've seen this girl crying during class when she doesn't win in sparring, and her dad has been on my radar in the past as being weirdly intense. I've seen him berating his kid after class in a way that seemed totally inappropriate, if not exactly dangerous in the moment.

I spoke discreetly to the coaches and they had also overheard my daughter's conversation and shared a similar impression of the dad. None of us thought it was a great idea to confront the dad, as that would almost certainly create blowback on the girl. Short of calling CPS, it seems the obvious next step would be to try to talk to the girl and/or mom when dad wasn't present for direct confirmation.

Shitty situation, but I'm not sure what else there is to do without the potential for being explosively wrong. Suggestions welcome.

I don't know what state you're in, but if the instructors at jiu jitsu suspect abuse, they are almost surely mandatory reporters. Personally, I have a hard time not walking up to abusive parents and beating the shit out of them. But there are better ways. I sincerely hope you find a better way, and that girl is not trapped in an abusive home.
 

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I don't know what state you're in, but if the instructors at jiu jitsu suspect abuse, they are almost surely mandatory reporters.

CA. I'm sure they are. I've spoken to them again tonight and they're going to document my report to them, confirm the story with the girl enough to make sure this isn't some terrible misunderstanding in a game of telephone through two 10 year olds, and then take next steps with the authorities.
 
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CA. I'm sure they are. I've spoken to them again tonight and they're going to document my report to them, confirm the story with the girl enough to make sure this isn't some terrible misunderstanding in a game of telephone through two 10 year olds, and then take next steps with the authorities.
No idea about the instructors, but CA school staff are 100% mandatory reporters.
 
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CA. I'm sure they are. I've spoken to them again tonight and they're going to document my report to them, confirm the story with the girl enough to make sure this isn't some terrible misunderstanding in a game of telephone through two 10 year olds, and then take next steps with the authorities.

My dude, you're doing right by following up on this. Good for you. Let's hope it's all a misunderstanding, and this girl is not in any danger. And if it's not, let's hope the situation is rectified right fucking now.
 
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My daughter (10) practices jiu jitsu. A friend that she was training with told my daughter that her dad hits and kicks her at home when she doesn't execute the techniques properly in sparring, and will also withhold food. "But only when Mom isn't around." I've seen this girl crying during class when she doesn't win in sparring, and her dad has been on my radar in the past as being weirdly intense. I've seen him berating his kid after class in a way that seemed totally inappropriate, if not exactly dangerous in the moment.

I spoke discreetly to the coaches and they had also overheard my daughter's conversation and shared a similar impression of the dad. None of us thought it was a great idea to confront the dad, as that would almost certainly create blowback on the girl. Short of calling CPS, it seems the obvious next step would be to try to talk to the girl and/or mom when dad wasn't present for direct confirmation.

Shitty situation, but I'm not sure what else there is to do without the potential for being explosively wrong. Suggestions welcome.
Welcome to every sport ever. The shit parents do to chase a dream allegedly for their kids is so over the top it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. It's the reason good coaches stop coaching to say nothing more about what it does to kids.
 
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Welcome to every sport ever. The shit parents do to chase a dream allegedly for their kids is so over the top it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad. It's the reason good coaches stop coaching to say nothing more about what it does to kids.

I do a lot of coaching, and I have a meeting with the parents before having the first practice. I tell them if they're living vicariously through their kids, if they're going to scream at officials, at me, at the other team, or generally be the kind of parent that doesn't act like this is your teenage kid playing a game, you will be banned from the arena. And yes, I can do that. And yes, I have. I had one kid whose parent just shouted the whole time, even during practice. Telling their son what to do. Undermining the coaches, criticizing the refs. I banned him. He about had a freaking heart attack when I told him, and it's good there were other people there, because he was going to hit me for sure. The other parents intervened. Once that parent stopped being at practice or games the kid did so much better. It was absolutely abuse what the parent was doing, but not the kind I can do anything about.

Parents can be serious jerks.
 
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When I coached it always seemed to be the parents that had no experience with actually gifted athletes that did it. If they had they'd know their little athlete was just as average as the rest and no amount of yelling would matter at all. The ones that I hated was the moms that would do things during the games, I'm talking 6th grade sports, to distract the other teams kids. Good coaches are insanely valuable just like good school teachers. Anything that makes their lives harder is bad for everyone. You'd think parents could understand that much.
 
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I taught kids martial arts classes for a number of years. The best setup we ever had was where the parents were in a sound-isolated lounge behind a one-way mirror where they kids couldn't see or hear them.

When I coached it always seemed to be the parents that had no experience with actually gifted athletes that did it.

Parents who don't train/play are the fucking worst. My wife and I are both experienced black belts and while we have plenty of technical quibbles with the kids coaches we STFU unless our kids ask a question at home.
 
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When I coached it always seemed to be the parents that had no experience with actually gifted athletes that did it. If they had they'd know their little athlete was just as average as the rest and no amount of yelling would matter at all. The ones that I hated was the moms that would do things during the games, I'm talking 6th grade sports, to distract the other teams kids. Good coaches are insanely valuable just like good school teachers. Anything that makes their lives harder is bad for everyone. You'd think parents could understand that much.

There is great truth in this post, nicely done Guurn Guurn

And you're right, good coaches are insanely valuable. And often hard to come by. A great coach can change your child's life.
 
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My son is not that great at baseball. He plays to play with his friends from school and the neighborhood. His first coach 3 years ago was amazing, the best we could hope for in his first year playing non tball and non coach pitch. The last two years the coaches have absolutely sucked and didn’t even seem like they enjoyed it. Im not criticizing them from the standpoint that they volunteered and I didn’t, but my son doesn’t even want to play anymore because of how bad the experiences were. So yeah, good coaches are amazing.
 
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The ones that I hated was the moms that would do things during the games, I'm talking 6th grade sports, to distract the other teams kids.
Hold up now, what kinda things we talkin’ here? Tell us more tales of these distracting moms!
 
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My son is not that great at baseball. He plays to play with his friends from school and the neighborhood. His first coach 3 years ago was amazing, the best we could hope for in his first year playing non tball and non coach pitch. The last two years the coaches have absolutely sucked and didn’t even seem like they enjoyed it. Im not criticizing them from the standpoint that they volunteered and I didn’t, but my son doesn’t even want to play anymore because of how bad the experiences were. So yeah, good coaches are amazing.

Dude, I hear you. I coach hockey, and I always have some girls on the team. By the age of 16 they are at a physical disadvantage because of their size and upper body strength. It's just plain true, sorry to all the bleeding hearts. However, it's not really a highly competitive league. I play the girls on a regular line. I spend time with all of the players who struggle with the physical part of the game. There's one girl, she's about 5'1" and about 100 pounds with her equipment on. She was scared to death of skating to the puck if there was a scrum, but she tried. And she was coachable. I don't care if you're the best player in the world, if you're coachable, I want you on my team. This girl got lit up so many times, I saw her fully leave the ice on multiple occasions as she got hit. But she kept doing it. Now she has the nickname "mosquito" because if you have the puck, she's annoying as hell. She skates into your space, gets in front of you regardless of the fact that the other players are 10" taller and 80 pounds heavier. She took private lessons on skating, so she's a very solid skater now. She listened to what I was saying to her 5 years ago, and so did her parents. Now she's playing high school hockey and is playing regular shifts as a forward. She's the most defensive forward they have, which puts her on special teams.

Now, is that all because I'm an awesome coach? No. It's because she was ready to hear that she wasn't good, and here's what she needed to do to be good. It also meant conversations with her parents were productive. "What can we do to help her get better and enjoy this more?" was the question, not "why the hell aren't you playing my daughter?" The girl's attitude and the parents' attitude made the whole situation better. You can be the best coach in the world, but if the parents have blown smoke up their kids ass by telling them how amazing they are, true or not, the kid will be uncoachable. It will be misery for everyone.

Parents need to lighten the fuck up while their children play games.

Sorry for the wall of text. This is something about which I am very passionate. I'm doing coach training locally, I hope it's making a difference. I also address the entire parent population of the kids playing in our league a couple times a year, and that's where I'm really, really, really hoping it's making a difference. If the parents come to the practices and games with the attitude that it needs to be fun, the kids have to like being there, and they are going to be proud of whatever effort their kid makes, life would be so much better for everyone. Don't get me wrong - there are certainly times where I'll tell one of the players I'm coaching they had a crap game. But say it in the correct way. Laugh about mistakes, and let them learn from it by seeing what they did that could be improved. And if one more parent tells me girls have no place in high school hockey, I might break my own rules and throw fists. Anyone who has seen my tiny daughter play hockey would eat their words.
 
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