Path of Exile

Kiroy said:

I love the new atlas, I feel like they really shoe horned builds though. Only certain things can map fast and also kill t14+ bosses in a reasonable time frame.

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The rebalance definitely made a bunch of builds not good, it was kinda expected when they boosted boss hp.

Thregin said:

I'd love it if you can explain the 33% thing. Or point me to a source that could clear up my confusion.

Becuase i remember seeing something to the effect that you would get influence after 3 different maps and then the boss after 3 more different maps alternatively you'd have a 33% chance if you didnt run different maps.

Has not been the case.

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The 33% is something else and it was assumed it was also 33% but it feels lower, more like 20% or so.

The 33% was the chance to find a conqueror again when running the same map, but only for the under 16 part of the atlas quests. Basically at launch, for the first 16 watchstones, you had 33% chance to find conquerors, then they hotfixed quickly to 100% BUT they didn't/couldn't fix the consecutive map %, so say you popped a boss running wharf, if you ran wharf again, it wouldn't be 100% anymore, it'd be 33%, but if you ran another map in the same region, then it'd be 100% like the fix intended. They then fixed that to be 100% guaranteed even running the same map for the first 16 watchstones.

However, they haven't actually said anything for the 17+ watchstones rates I believe, and I don't think it's 33%, but I haven't really counted either.

There was a post on reddit though about getting watchstones faster, might end up being fixed though but the gist of it is, you use your normal red maps to spawn the influence as usual, but once the influence is popped, you run white maps in that region instead and you will still get the repeat encounters on white maps. So the idea is you run cheap as fuck white maps, kill a few packs to check for pops then leave. Even if it pops you can leave, it counts as soon as they show up. You do that twice and now you can run your fights as normal. This lets you speed up the process tremendously by throwing shitty white maps and not clearing them to rotate through the watchstones quickly. Good way to farm Sirius too.

Obviously if you're still leveling and shit you can also just run red maps for xp normally, it's just a good way to get done asap with watchstones if you're planning on running a full atlas or something(which is debatable since you get drops from every region, forcing you into a lot of subpar layouts). There is a trick to get only one T16 map to drop but it involves 2 accounts and this one will most likely get fixed.

Kiroy said:

the problem is a lot of the fun factor of this game is the variety of builds, everytime they make changes that constrict this I think they lose something (it seems to expand and contract all the time so I'm not really worried about it)

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Yeah I don't necessarily disagree either, I think map bosses should be easy and they can keep the beefy shaper/elder/uber elder/sirius etc for more dedicated builds, this way you can make good mapping builds, good bossing builds and a few builds that can do both well. As it is, you can only make good "mapping but not kill the boss" builds which is a bit fucked.

I'm glad I played a really high boss damage build so I didn't run into any issues, with that or metamorphs but I've seen a lot of complaints on reddit. Used to be you could have a 1m shaper DPS build and do fine in maps but now it seems you'd better aim for 2-3m, which is a huge step up since a lot of builds flat out can't get that much or can only get it via super glass cannon bullshit where you end up with 4k or under hp at 90. Even my build with 6k I found to be squishy with the damage output of shit too, so it's not like you just need raw damage.

AladainAF said:

I think it is. Having no worries about map sustain is amazing, and rolling watchstone mods is way better than on a map itself. But it will take time to get used to, and it's a lot more work to get an awakened atlas than the old completion, which I think it overall a good thing.

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Takes more work but there's more rewards, you get a bunch of shit from awakening levels and you get 50% more map upgrade from reclearing the atlas a 2nd time with awakening levels so I think it's fair. That said I'm pretty sure they also increased the base map droprate and I don't know if they'll keep it at that level next league.

I've never had anywhere close to that level of map sustain before, as a fairly casual non map-shaping player. The fact that after running so many T16s for watchstone farming I still had more T16s than T15 is way way different than before and it's not like I had an amazing atlas bonus either. And I wasn't running like crazy shit, as usual I only used sextants every now and then cause I always forget to put more in, I only chiselled T15s(10%) and T16s(20% until I ran out), I only rerolled mods to remove Chance to avoid poison not for quant and I only vaaled for atlas bonus.

Every map almost dropped a T16 back, and often I'd fine several which compensated for the few that didn't. On one map I found 7 T16s. There were a fair amount of elder/shaper guardian maps too, shaper maps especially sell for a bunch of money.

Don't even think it's the league stuff either, while I did get some maps from the mobs around the boss pretty often, the actual map mod on metamorph looked like it was 99% garbage white maps.

zombiewizardhawk said:

I have to only farm outer region maps for dozens and dozens of maps and then if I fail the sirus fight I have to farm the outer region maps another 100+ times to get 16 watchstones again? And until I beat sirus I can't raise the tier of inner region maps or use sextants or whatever so i'm just with a bunch of t1-t4 maps as my only option?

I guess I should spend an hour or two and actually research how the new atlas works because if that's how it works then i'm probably not gonna play any more.

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That's not how it works and you'd really only need 5mins to find that out.