Andrew jones speakers are on sale for 80 a pop. ordered them immediately. Now just need to get a sub and receiver
Piecing together a speaker system
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Nice, where's the sale at? That's a good price and anyone looking for new speakers should definitely pick them up.
Srathor
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Forin you are a sharp dude, however, in a situation like Sean's I would say move the bitch around till it sounds good. Say corner load the sub 6 inches from the corner of the wall farthest away from the tv and set the subs crossover to start cutting low and let the drivers go to the 40 hz.
Why would I give that advice? Because he is not setting up an audiophiles wet dream room. He is in an apartment with no baffling, poor placement options and more than likely non equidistant walls.
Listen to some stuff you like. Move the sub a bit and see if you get hard. If you do great call it a day. Listen to Forin and get a great sound theory education, and after a month of crunching numbers throw it all out because that shit just doesn't apply to a non controlled enviroment like an apartment.
Why would I give that advice? Because he is not setting up an audiophiles wet dream room. He is in an apartment with no baffling, poor placement options and more than likely non equidistant walls.
Listen to some stuff you like. Move the sub a bit and see if you get hard. If you do great call it a day. Listen to Forin and get a great sound theory education, and after a month of crunching numbers throw it all out because that shit just doesn't apply to a non controlled enviroment like an apartment.
Been on vacation, let me see if I can address some of the questions to the best of my ability.
Hello Jysin,
I went to far on my previous post, I have a tendency to ramble and over explain things about this topic, my apologies.
Audio is dynamic but the sources are static, the speakers and subs aren't moving so the speaker produces a certain range while the sub reproduces another range of wavelengths. The real variables are the room (most important and expensive to fix) and the listener's location.
You are correct, setting a crossover for a Sub and speaker system is valid for a fixed point. The benefits of being a audiophile who doesn't share is you can optimize the best seat in the house for yourself (sweet spot). The trouble with HT is there are multiple seats and the wavelengths would have to align at every place at the same time (fairly impossible I think). What generally occurs is taking multiple measurements of each location and attempt to find a crossover and delay that looks best for all seats. Another option is to go to the center of all the listening positions and set the delay for that location, this would help minimize delays for all seats (wont be perfect) and you could then fine tune everything by measuring the other listening positions.
In my opinion the best way to handle this is proper speaker design. Such a speaker would have to measure very well in phase (time/space) and also extend to below 80Hz. Good phase also acts to smooth out the frequency response by removing cancellations (dips) which cant be EQ'd out (peaks can generally be EQ'd unless its comb filtering). Aligning the wavefronts at the Speaker and Sub by all accounts will help you to achieve a smoother crossover at the listening positions (less variables).
Luckily such speakers do exist and the creator, Tom Danley has a few great white papers on this subject, (http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/danle...rray-paper.pdf). These are my favorite speaker, ever. I have heard many systems but my personal system was a full Danley rig, and it was sonic bliss. They are not cheap but quite affordable for what you get, (smallest Synergy horn sells for $2500.00 each, or $5000.00 per pair).
I think this attempted to answer your question. Let me know if I am wrong on any of this, I enjoy these discussions.
Hello Jysin,
I went to far on my previous post, I have a tendency to ramble and over explain things about this topic, my apologies.
Audio is dynamic but the sources are static, the speakers and subs aren't moving so the speaker produces a certain range while the sub reproduces another range of wavelengths. The real variables are the room (most important and expensive to fix) and the listener's location.
You are correct, setting a crossover for a Sub and speaker system is valid for a fixed point. The benefits of being a audiophile who doesn't share is you can optimize the best seat in the house for yourself (sweet spot). The trouble with HT is there are multiple seats and the wavelengths would have to align at every place at the same time (fairly impossible I think). What generally occurs is taking multiple measurements of each location and attempt to find a crossover and delay that looks best for all seats. Another option is to go to the center of all the listening positions and set the delay for that location, this would help minimize delays for all seats (wont be perfect) and you could then fine tune everything by measuring the other listening positions.
In my opinion the best way to handle this is proper speaker design. Such a speaker would have to measure very well in phase (time/space) and also extend to below 80Hz. Good phase also acts to smooth out the frequency response by removing cancellations (dips) which cant be EQ'd out (peaks can generally be EQ'd unless its comb filtering). Aligning the wavefronts at the Speaker and Sub by all accounts will help you to achieve a smoother crossover at the listening positions (less variables).
Luckily such speakers do exist and the creator, Tom Danley has a few great white papers on this subject, (http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/danle...rray-paper.pdf). These are my favorite speaker, ever. I have heard many systems but my personal system was a full Danley rig, and it was sonic bliss. They are not cheap but quite affordable for what you get, (smallest Synergy horn sells for $2500.00 each, or $5000.00 per pair).
I think this attempted to answer your question. Let me know if I am wrong on any of this, I enjoy these discussions.
You are 100% correct Srathor, Sean should do as he wants, and his options are very limited. I have a habit of over explaining the few things I understand, much to the chagrin of my wife/friends (a lot of eye rolling). I figured the forum could benefit from an over explanation on this topic, which is why I went into detail. Personally, I like in depth answers to questions and always try to provide proper reasoning for an answer. But yes, for Sean he should probably move the sub around until he likes how it sounds, pending his knee allows him to sub crawl
If people are interested I could do a Stereo/HT, buyers/setup guide as a separate thread for the forum. People could add information as they see fit. I have never done anything like that before, but if there is enough interest and I find some time, I could work on one.
Jysin
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I have done quite a lot of DIY for my HT, including room treatments, decimeter calibration of speakers (for my listening position of course), etc. I just found the wavelength alignment theory a bit dubious. Again, you can wave align at one specific frequency only. Anyway here's some HT porn for you with all my gear:
Fronts:http://www.paradigm.com/products/ser.../page=overview
Center:http://www.paradigm.com/products/ser.../page=overview
Surrounds:http://www.paradigm.com/products/ser.../page=overview
Sub:http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/09/h...woofer-review/
TV:http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75ES9000FXZA
AVR:http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Page...4311ci(denonna)
A higher end amp is definitely next on my upgrade list.
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What is everyone's go-to piece of media for testing out a new speaker setup? I.e. your favorite movie scene or whatever that really shows off your system?
I always tend to go back to the original Matrix and the lobby shootout, or oddly enough the movie Contact where at the beginning all the radio signals from the Earth are bombarding you, every audio channel is playing a different song. There has to be some newer movies though that really push a 5.1 or 7.1 setup when you're wanting to quickly impress someone(or yourself)
I always tend to go back to the original Matrix and the lobby shootout, or oddly enough the movie Contact where at the beginning all the radio signals from the Earth are bombarding you, every audio channel is playing a different song. There has to be some newer movies though that really push a 5.1 or 7.1 setup when you're wanting to quickly impress someone(or yourself)
Ossoi
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Just got an Onkyo 626 receiver, replaced an eight year old budget Sony amp.
How much improvement will be there be from adding a second sub so I get 7.2? Only reason I ask is that someone is selling the same model sub on Ebay for like ?20 and it seems like it would be a good pick up.
I live in an apartment building so never have the sub turned up too much but when I do have it up slightly higher I never get any complaints.
How much improvement will be there be from adding a second sub so I get 7.2? Only reason I ask is that someone is selling the same model sub on Ebay for like ?20 and it seems like it would be a good pick up.
I live in an apartment building so never have the sub turned up too much but when I do have it up slightly higher I never get any complaints.
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Joeboo
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That's a good one too. I still find it odd that all the best scenes for surround sound I can think of are all 10-20 year old movies, nothing recent. I often use the prison bathroom shootout scene in "The Rock" as well
It all depends on the room and the subs. 2 subs will give you more output and the ability to move more air in a larger room, but more importantly will allow you to fine tune your locations more. But... 2 crappy subs wont really do much either.