Pillars of Eternity, Obsidian's new CRPG in the vein of Baldur's Gate

Arcaus_sl said:

I legitimately have yet to encounter a bug and now like what, a week later, all bugs you are talking about have been fixed. Stop being a curmudgeon.

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False.

This occurred last night and just now I have downloaded the patch and loaded up all 3 of my saves. None of them now allow me to progress. In short, this game wasted all my time because now I have to start over AGAIN just to play the game once.

Stop being a fucking apologist. Sorry bro, game is still broken.

Game is brokenfor you. Sucks, hope you get it working.

Aside from the deflection stacking and the int on my wizard from the drinking horn I haven't had any bugs either. Still trying to find the damn patch on a torrent somewhere.

khalid_sl said:

Game is brokenfor you. Sucks, hope you get it working.

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Doesn't mean it's not fucking broken, don't know what else to say. This is 2015, I have more complicated games on my telephone. I don't think it's so much to ask that when you patch, you fucking fix the problem and I don't have to rely on editing hex files or using a 3rd party tool to play your game.

Palum_sl said:

Doesn't mean it's not fucking broken, don't know what else to say. This is 2015, I have more complicated games on my telephone. I don't think it's so much to ask that when you patch, you fucking fix the problem and I don't have to rely on editing hex files or using a 3rd party tool to play your game.

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I think it's absurd that we've got people posting desperately defending this game next to the people posting about the dozens of bugs you have to actively avoid to prevent breaking your save. Is the contradiction there really that hard to see?

Yeah, I think your experience is an outlier, sorry it sucked. I got a few int on kana and I lost my main character passives. I have learned long ago, since the before time, that if a game lets you make a lot of saves, just make them so you never have to start over from scratch and just delete them later. Its too bad you apparently only have 3 mega fucked up saves. My passives came back, the few extra stats disappeared from my party when I load my recent save. Every fallout game, every elderscrolls game, both baulder's gate, neverwinter. I save save save. I always have, this strategy sheltered me from the worst bugs I think as even if something failed to load my game was never gone - never more than an hour or two if something did happen.

Did you play Skyrim? Did you honestly manage to play the whole game bug free on a single set of saves? I certainly didn't. You never know when something might break. My first playthrough of baulder's gate 1 ended because of bugs in the town, I did not play the game again for years to the end. And certainly I think i had to wait longer than a week for a patch then, but I could be wrong. Do you really think any reasonable QA department could catch every bug of every permutation of event and class combination item interaction in a game of this type? The double click to equip bug seems like one that should not have been missed, but outside of that specific bug - the other ones are pretty hard to pin down and I honestly would have never noticed much of the stat stacking bug as my playthrough did not involve many loads on maps where I recruited anyone. You could easily play through the game many times and not hit every bug. Wasteland 2 is a perfect recent example, it had bugs, plenty of them. A year later - you would be cheating yourself by not playing it. It was great to begin with, its even better now.

I don't remember any PC game that I ever sunk any reasonable amount of time playing released as version 1.0 and was never patched, not since the middle 90's. Just embrace the reality of patching, as long as it gets done effectively. I think a week is a reasonable time frame. I'm 100% happy with my purchase and would buy the game again even if I knew about every bug before I started playing last week. The rage you guys exhibit seems excessive to me, but I'm sure there are more like me that are more than willing to compromise these issues just to have this type of game made again. Its been too long since this experience has been available, and to have the first two be as enjoyable to me as they have been just reinforces my view. I'll approach Tides the same way. I'd advise not buying it for at least 6 months.

I have dozens of saves across all 3 chars from right after the background quest where the first two dudes die to killing Raedric. None of them allow me to recruit any story NPC from running right into Gilded Vale from the start. I don't know what else to do, they aren't the same chars, two are normal one is hard, I took different story paths... I mean they are nothing alike except they are all bugged right from the start.

I honestly feel for you if that's the case, I seriously think your experience is extremely rare. You should post your saves on their forums with your details, it might resolve the bug(s). That's how most of the big ones got fixed from what I could tell. Dropbox links is what the dev's wanted I think - save files that is.

This isn't my first rodeo, but after 15 hours into the game I have little desire to restart yet again. This patch did not change any of my existing games. Maybe I'll try it again by time I could have picked it up for $5 on a Steam sale.

My first playthrough of baulder's gate 1 ended because of bugs in the town, I did not play the game again for years to the end.

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I don't think I ever encountered a single bug in the original iteration of BG1, certainly nothing gamebreaking (although there were some interesting exploits*, but they took intentional effort). Which bug is it that caused your problem? If you remember.



* My favorite was that mage in the inn you start outside in Candlekeep - Firebeard Elvenhair iirc? You could kill him by hitting him with a ranged attack, running outside the inn every time he fired a spell off so it didn't hit you, rinse repeat till he runs out of spells, then kiting him around the table in the corner until he dies. Took a while, but it was a good way to start the game at level 3 or 4 immediately if you exported/imported the character a few times in the pre-Gatekeeper days.

I never finished Wasteland 2 because when I got to Cali my game just stopped giving quests. I couldn't talk to anyone. It's sad but it's symptomatic of the genre. Aside from Divinity I can't think of a single CRPG that's been essentially bug free. Kind of depressing.

I'm honestly drawing up a blank trying to think of a single other RPG where bugs have been a huge factor in ruining my enjoyment of the game. Poor game design, terrible graphics, shitty storylines, yup, but not one where I've been "man I really want to play this but these bugs are making it impossible." The closest thing that comes to mind is how completely and utterly fucked Diablo 1's multiplayer was.

Strategy games, on the other hand...

loading times in witcher 1.

Izo_sl said:

loading times in witcher 1.

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Haha shit, I forgot about Witcher. Yeah I'll definitely grant that one, I gave up 5 or 10 hours into it when some quest NPC was just straight up not where they were supposed to be. At least Witcher 2 was pretty awesome.

Palum_sl said:

I have dozens of saves across all 3 chars from right after the background quest where the first two dudes die to killing Raedric. None of them allow me to recruit any story NPC from running right into Gilded Vale from the start. I don't know what else to do, they aren't the same chars, two are normal one is hard, I took different story paths... I mean they are nothing alike except they are all bugged right from the start.

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You...youdoknow you have to do something first before the named characters unlock for recruitment, right?

e: Fedora spotted

I mean people actually think that Bioware assburgers pandering is better than that.

It bottles my mind. I can 100% understand "the game is a buggy pile! BURN DOWN OBSIDIAN!" I didn't hit any of those bugs, but I can completely understand that.

People just aren't 'fisticated anymore, man.

I weep for the children.

Azrayne_sl said:

I'm honestly drawing up a blank trying to think of a single other RPG where bugs have been a huge factor in ruining my enjoyment of the game. Poor game design, terrible graphics, shitty storylines, yup, but not one where I've been "man I really want to play this but these bugs are making it impossible." The closest thing that comes to mind is how completely and utterly fucked Diablo 1's multiplayer was.

Strategy games, on the other hand...

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Either you didn't play it... or have a terrible memory.


My first char was definitely broken. I started a summoner. Having to summon, and resummon minons every single map, as wolves jumped on top of me over and over...

Then, about 1/3rd of the way through he game or so. in the major city, I started to notice something was wrong. I was getting weaker and weaker.
oh, when a summon kills an npc, you the player gets no experience. I was 4 levels below where I was supposed to be. Started leveling death magic. and suddenly level 1 death magic was killing the crap out of everything.


PS. I swapped to hard, and still find wand+blast to be super effective. Now, this is not a solo build. its a ranged aoe dps build. so needs a tank for you. And honestly, letting others debuff for you too is ideal.
But early game, as noted. you have arcane assault x4 with Aloth, which wrecks the shadows. its short range can be dangerous, so make sure they are tanked/distracted well.
Chillwind is supergood then, and now still. that x2 is strong. or that on YOU with your might, with Aloth doing slicken. again his low might lets him do CC wiz spells while you nuke/wand. the interrupt.
level 2 wiz spells. meh. A combusting wounds perhaps. aoe is small though. it would add to the wands nukes though. necrotic lance good. aoe confuse good.
level 3 wiz spells. the cake. Expose Vul. (admittedly, not 100% sure on how -Dr stacks works from sources. but almost certainly worth it.) again, have aloth cast it. Kalakoths minor blights. THIS is your spell. fireball is of course good too for nuking.

Creates a ball of energy in the casters hand that can bethrownat the enemy, causing Burn, Freeze, Corrode. or Shock damage to anyone caught in the area of effect. -blights are continually replenished until the spell ends.

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"effects: caster-until the weapon is changed for 60s.
So, this applies to wand/etc. The aoe damage you throw out with blast and this is crazy. Especially one a good fast wand. and with ila chant.
Heck, you might even consider improved implments, for +25% wand/sceptor damage. or other marksman +accuracy, etc.

Now granted, this is for AOE. single target, you'll want a standard nuke. or possible weapon swap to something with one hit damage. adventurer is +6 acc to wands and warbows.