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That schizo fanfic video linked earlier about the whole twilight zone 600 year space flight shit was pretty retarded but it was right about one thing. Unless something changes or they handwave it away the 7 billion hive mind people have about 2 weeks left before they all starve to death. The entire human food chain relies on killing a lot of creatures at industrial scale and just in time logistics means they're already living on canned/processed food at 1 week in. I mean they kind of teased this when they had zero lobster available like day 2, but the reality is that applies to literally everything not preserved and there simply isn't enough to feed 7 billion people.
Yeah. As a Factorio player I'd love to see some episodes going deep on the perfect logistics of the hive mind. Would be interesting to see statistics on the ramifications of freeing all animals overnight. So many animals would die, those that died of dehydration in the first week could probably be recovered for food? Idk what crop could reap enough benefits to start feeding people quickly enough to avoid mass starvation.

Your comments about how hostile farming is to pests is also very true. I'm sure a more careful exposition would resolve it with them using pesticide while also keeping the pod people mostly peaceful.
 
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i suspect much like game of thrones (books) didn't worry too much about "what the fuck is up with the weather, how does this planet work" i don't think this show is gonna dive too deep into how the hive mind works. is there a central "queen" bee? Do they communicate over radio frequencies or something our physics doesn't know? What about all the rapists, murderers, split personalities, trannies, and other mentally ill people - do they "infect" the hive or get suppressed? Will alphabet people get eventually erased from existence since they serve no biological purpose?

Can someone like Neo arise from this system to rebel against it but be part of it? Does the hive have a goal of finding another planet and building the vast infrastructure necessary to transmit a signal or do they just wanna organize our planet into a single mind? Who (alien) created the RNA signal and how did they find Earth? Do they do the same thing all over the galaxy or was this a one off thing from a dying race?

i'd love answers but not expecting any, ever. Still, its fun to see a world where these questions come up.
 
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i suspect much like game of thrones (books) didn't worry too much about "what the fuck is up with the weather, how does this planet work" i don't think this show is gonna dive too deep into how the hive mind works. is there a central "queen" bee? Do they communicate over radio frequencies or something our physics doesn't know? What about all the rapists, murderers, split personalities, trannies, and other mentally ill people - do they "infect" the hive or get suppressed? Will alphabet people get eventually erased from existence since they serve no biological purpose?

Can someone like Neo arise from this system to rebel against it but be part of it? Does the hive have a goal of finding another planet and building the vast infrastructure necessary to transmit a signal or do they just wanna organize our planet into a single mind? Who (alien) created the RNA signal and how did they find Earth? Do they do the same thing all over the galaxy or was this a one off thing from a dying race?

i'd love answers but not expecting any, ever. Still, its fun to see a world where these questions come up.
I expect the last few questions will be answered. The psychic link physics hopefully won't be. They don't need to talk about midichlorians.
 

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not sure why you quoted me or what your point was. Ok they can drive, despite the fact that insects will hit their windshield and die while operating the vehicle. Cool. accidental, not intentional, you get a pass. Farming? Not so much, the use of pesticides or other methods for culling insects is intentional murder of living beings, never mind using machinery to harvest crops.

congrats, 2 weeks til everyone starves to death. Sorry the show runners didn't think of this when they pitched the show, but there is no logical out for them, stop trying to pretend like there is.

we americans are so accustomed to having ripe banana's delivered to our local grocery store no matter where we are or what time of year it is, we never think about what it takes to make that happen. Answer: The intentional death of a lot of living things. There literally is no out for them. Either everyone starves to death in the next few episodes or it's a mulligan and shitty writing.
but they'll have extra "bodies" to do menial farm work

the mayor became a basic bitch janitor b/c there wasn't a need anymore for local govt
 
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I almost had an orgasm as a logistics professional.
Landman actually does a pretty solid job of portraying what an operations manager does with BBT's character. Obviously it's oil+gas and a little different, but still very logistics oriented.
 

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but they'll have extra "bodies" to do menial farm work

the mayor became a basic bitch janitor b/c there wasn't a need anymore for local govt
Yeah dude already addressed that. All of human history since the advent of agriculture we've steadily increased productivity to free up more slots for things other than menial farm labor. Take away pesticides and industrial agriculture and it will take 75% of the world's population to farm by hand, really it would take more than that since they aren't even farming they are just gathering, but for sake of argument lets say it only takes 75% of the earths population to farm. Really you're increasing the caloric requirements of most of the earths population having them work the fields all day, so the game is already lost but lets ignore that for now.

There's no livestock for either calories or to assist in farming so off the rip we're about down about 25% of calories needed to support the human population, we can't use any machinery or pesticides so we're down another 50% yield for crops. So it will take 3 out of every 4 people on earth to feed 1 out of every 4, just harvesting the crops already planted. So 75% of the population starves to death immediately and you can no longer leave 25% free to pursue other interests, once the dying starts it takes 100% of the population to work the fields. and that process continues until life is no longer supportable outside of picking fruit off trees in the jungles of the congo.

no pesticides, no animals, no animal by products (no eggs, no milk, no honey, other than wild gathered). farming with hand tools only, that means walking fields and digging holes by hand to plant crops, avoiding tilling or killing off animal burrows you discover, you have to plant around them. You lose 1/4 of your arable farm land to wildlife and 50% of the yield to locusts and other insects.

It's a plothole the size of the jersey turnpike that you could drive a 747 through. Either its just the shittiest of writing imaginable, zero research or thought went into it, which is what you guys seem to be advocating that it is since you dont understand how food works, or its part of the story and something that will be addressed in coming episodes.

I happen to think the show runner is not retarded and its part of the plot. I could be wrong, maybe he is a retard, but i think the point of bringing up the lobsters on day 2 was hinting at this. They set all the animals free, so anything not already dead and frozen isn't available anymore. Seafood/shellfish spoils the fastest and the hive knows this, so the first thing they did was consume all of it that was on hand world wide, and that was gone in a day. They then immediately started centralizing remaining food stores and emptied out every grocery store. They are definitely rationing.

It only takes about 50 or so bodies to entertain the 13 immunes, the rest of the population is either gathering food to extend the life or they are working on whatever the hind mind project is, maybe they don't need to live months, maybe it only takes a few weeks to build a telescope large enough to beam the signal out to the next planet to continue the process and then dying off is the goal.

maybe the reason they care so much about converting the immunes is because their programming won't allow them to harm them directly and when the hive completes its goal (of ending intelligent life) and dies off they don't want anyone left to restart humanity, adam and eve style.
 
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Yeah dude already addressed that. All of human history since the advent of agriculture we've steadily increased productivity to free up more slots for things other than menial farm labor. Take away pesticides and industrial agriculture and it will take 75% of the world's population to farm by hand, really it would take more than that since they aren't even farming they are just gathering, but for sake of argument lets say it only takes 75% of the earths population to farm. Really you're increasing the caloric requirements of most of the earths population having them work the fields all day, so the game is already lost but lets ignore that for now.

There's no livestock for either calories or to assist in farming so off the rip we're about down about 25% of calories needed to support the human population, we can't use any machinery or pesticides so we're down another 50% yield for crops. So it will take 3 out of every 4 people on earth to feed 1 out of every 4, just harvesting the crops already planted. So 75% of the population starves to death immediately and you can no longer leave 25% free to pursue other interests, once the dying starts it takes 100% of the population to work the fields. and that process continues until life is no longer supportable outside of picking fruit off trees in the jungles of the congo.

no pesticides, no animals, no animal by products (no eggs, no milk, no honey, other than wild gathered). farming with hand tools only, that means walking fields and digging holes by hand to plant crops, avoiding tilling or killing off animal burrows you discover, you have to plant around them. You lose 1/4 of your arable farm land to wildlife and 50% of the yield to locusts and other insects.

It's a plothole the size of the jersey turnpike that you could drive a 747 through. Either its just the shittiest of writing imaginable, zero research or thought went into it, which is what you guys seem to be advocating that it is since you dont understand how food works, or its part of the story and something that will be addressed in coming episodes.

I happen to think the show runner is not retarded and its part of the plot. I could be wrong, maybe he is a retard, but i think the point of bringing up the lobsters on day 2 was hinting at this. They set all the animals free, so anything not already dead and frozen isn't available anymore. Seafood/shellfish spoils the fastest and the hive knows this, so the first thing they did was consume all of it that was on hand world wide, and that was gone in a day. They then immediately started centralizing remaining food stores and emptied out every grocery store. They are definitely rationing.
it's only cost effective b/c they don't have much good land but they have a low of "energy/power" and much of neatherlands argo is being replaced with vertical hydroponics. limited pesticides/ no culling of all the ground animals when harvesting / about the only life form needed is bees

i could see the hive mind easily expanding many hydro farms, heck you can literally transform central park into a hydrofarm, who needs parks when you are a hive. also lots of fruits and vegetables don't make it to the consumer b/c they don't look "picture perfect", but a hive mind drone wouldn't have a problem eating a funny looking bruised pepper.
 

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wrong yet again about pretty much everything you just said.

Just because fruits and vegetables don't end up in your grocery store doesn't mean it is thrown away, it ends up in processed food and all the barely edible scraps end up in dog food or as livestock feed. inedible shit ends up as compost/fertilizer. Shit only goes to waste due to bureaucratic incompetence like california and their retarded laws letting vegetables rot at transit stations.