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I think the setup was there in the last episode. If Carol asks them for a scientific facility, experts with established research and procedures, and a tutorial on how to conduct experiments, the hive mind will be forced to comply and she'll start making sone kind of progress.
 
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I think it's probably red pilling a lot of people. My wife thinks she's insufferable but we give it a pass due to circumstances.
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She needs to be various levels of unlikeable to get people to sympathize more with how "great" the hive mind might be. Then they will slowly pull back the curtain, like TJT TJT says, and during that time she becomes more relatable to a wider audience.
 
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elidib said:
I think the setup was there in the last episode. If Carol asks them for a scientific facility, experts with established research and procedures, and a tutorial on how to conduct experiments, the hive mind will be forced to comply and she'll start making sone kind of progress.
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I would think their self defense instinct would have to kick in at some point.
 
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Yeah, I would think any threat to the collective would mean instant elimination.

I like the show so far, but wondering what the social commentary is. To me it seems like an allegory of AI and robotics.
 
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This could get real dark and have Carol start killing hive people until she forces them to either release, die, or kill her themselves.
 
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Yeah, I would think any threat to the collective would mean instant elimination.

I like the show so far, but wondering what the social commentary is. To me it seems like an allegory of AI and robotics.
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That's the thing. Us already did this. In the first episode it claims the Joining was done prematurely once human authorities became aware of its existence. Resulting in the death of 900M people. Its handwaved over but this would imply that they forcibly brought the remaining humans onboard once that happened.

So now you have the situation where Us knows that the immune humans cannot truly threaten it, or something, but Carol can damage it's collective function on her own. Even if it is temporary. There needs to be a good reason why Us is so invested in the happiness of the immune rather than just corralling them into reservations where they cannot interfere with it and whatever its doing.
 
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That's the thing. Us already did this. In the first episode it claims the Joining was done prematurely once human authorities became aware of its existence. Resulting in the death of 900M people. Its handwaved over but this would imply that they forcibly brought the remaining humans onboard once that happened.

So now you have the situation where Us knows that the immune humans cannot truly threaten it, or something, but Carol can damage it's collective function on her own. Even if it is temporary. There needs to be a good reason why Us is so invested in the happiness of the immune rather than just corralling them into reservations where they cannot interfere with it and whatever its doing.
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I'm not sure it's any more complex than the virus simply has a fundamental desire to spread.
 
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Chanur said:
I think it's probably red pilling a lot of people. My wife thinks she's insufferable but we give it a pass due to circumstances.
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Carol is incapable of being happy and that makes her entertaining. You can see it in the first episode and flashback where her girlfriend is constantly trying, and failing, to cheer her up. She'll only grudgingly accept things aren't that bad.

When an army of pod people show up to stock a store so she can "independently" buy produce she's still unhappy and it's funny.

I'm fortunate to never have anyone like that in my life, I bet for some it hits way too close to home!
 
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elidib said:
I think the setup was there in the last episode. If Carol asks them for a scientific facility, experts with established research and procedures, and a tutorial on how to conduct experiments, the hive mind will be forced to comply and she'll start making sone kind of progress.
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That's my guess too, but the show will throw some curveballs in and introduce new characters or factions. Vince Gilligan is also perfectly happy to slow-roll a TV show for multiple seasons, so this could go exactly no where till season 4, lol.
 
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Its handwaved over but this would imply that they forcibly brought the remaining humans onboard once that happened.
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If we assume that they are telling the truth when it comes to not being able to directly harm the living, then perhaps what happened is they simply had to spread the virus world wide quickly which led to car accidents, planes crashing, etc as the planet got fast tracked.
 
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If we assume that they are telling the truth when it comes to not being able to directly harm the living, then perhaps what happened is they simply had to spread the virus world wide quickly which led to car accidents, planes crashing, etc as the planet got fast tracked.
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Well I think we started seeing cracks in this. It clearly seemed there was some disagreement or hesitation in the hive mind on giving a nuke. I think that's actually how the issue is going to be resolved or changed. By working them into some kind of schism from internal disagreement.
 
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Chanur said:
Well I think we started seeing cracks in this. It clearly seemed there was some disagreement or hesitation in the hive mind on giving a nuke. I think that's actually how the issue is going to be resolved or changed. By working them into some kind of schism from internal disagreement.
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Kind of like how you 'defeat' a computer program/AI, twist the logic just right so it implodes
 
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Ome said:
If we assume that they are telling the truth when it comes to not being able to directly harm the living, then perhaps what happened is they simply had to spread the virus world wide quickly which led to car accidents, planes crashing, etc as the planet got fast tracked.
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They don't explicitly show it, just implied, but it seems to me that they were still testing the correct combination to perfect the virus. Sure they had a breakthrough with that one rat which faked death in order to infect the first human but they started off doing one on one conversions for the first month.

It seems likely that exact viral loadout wasn't compatible with everyone, they must have had failures and maybe even deaths, and they were tinkering with the formula to improve the conversion rate. The military finds out and forced their hand so they went with the best version of their virus but it seemingly killed like 1 in 8 people.

Her wife was one such person, she was converted by the virus but the process killed her, just like the other 1 billion people who died. Sure a few were probably like airplane crashes when the pilot/copilot died during conversion or auto accidents or whatever, but it seems to me using such a huge number of deaths, nearly 1 billion, it was the virus itself that wasn't yet perfected which killed many of the hosts.

and of course, a virtually zero % of the population happened to be immune. It's likely they were focusing on improving success rate before focusing on survival rate
 
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Sure a few were probably like airplane crashes when the pilot/copilot died during conversion or auto accidents or whatever, but it seems to me using such a huge number of deaths, nearly 1 billion, it was the virus itself that wasn't yet perfected which killed many of the hosts.
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you know thats one thing that always bothered me about Infinity War/Endgame. do all the people that didn't get snapped but died BECAUSE of the immediate consequences of the snap (plane crashes etc like you said) get revived?
 
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This chick is the most boring retard who ever could have been "one of the immune."

They are amicable and apparently 100% truthful and absolutely willing to answer any question, and have instant connection to literally all current human knowledge in existence. How in the fucking fuck fuck do you not immediately use this?

I'd spend a solid two weeks simply confirming/disconfirming anything I suspected to be true that we had no way of proving, especially regarding human behavior. Like I realize most of it is pretty irrelevant at this point, but I must be a weirdo who loves knowledge. And hey, on the off chance this is reversed somehow, it would be pretty great to know the truth of things. This is like ChatGPT but it actually knows things instead of just running retarded math algorithms on words.
  • Confirm Jeff Epstein status, he's probably still alive somewhere
  • Confirm all "intelligence agency" conspiracy theories
  • Confirm who really steers Western Civilization and the World
  • Confirm if vast majority or even all "gays" were abused as a child, spoiler alert
  • UFOs/Aliens
  • Lizard People
  • etc

God I'd have endless entertainment.

Pretty clever show other than the main character being so goddamn boring and retarded. As mentioned by others, it's surprisingly satisfying watching a bunch of humans work in perfect concert.
 
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