Project Epoch - WoW Classic+

Taken at lunch on Gurubashi pvp:

Nirgon said:

Taken at lunch on Gurubashi pvp:

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4,000 on Kezan last night (US prime, but past prime hours for EU).

Burren said:

4,000 on Kezan last night (US prime, but past prime hours for EU).

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Tons of afk clowns and chatters, saying lfg then AFK again. PvE servers are full of low energy flat brains. Alliance is almost always the worst of them, can't believe I agreed to rolling it again.

Kaines said:

PvPers giving up on PvP so soon? Never thought I'd see the day.....

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The calls are mainly from Horde, which has lacked healing since launch. Alliance has a serious heal advantage.

But it was all fine, Horde was used to getting bad groups and fighting a big pile of healers to stalemate and using different strategies-- that is until no healers started to affect dungeon groups outside of PvP. Then people started to panic. The idea is it will take forever to get Ascension to respond to a population issue (same way they stonewall on content updates), so if it's already dipping to 1200, next week is 800. It's the trend. So while the calls to merge are a little early, there is a good reason for it.

Sylas said:

except ascension literally tracked daily logins and already pre-emptively merged the 2 pve servers even when some of you said it was too soon?

smooth brain logic there.

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Most PvPers I've talked to in guild are just looking for reasons to go to Bronzebeard, despite it being a different offering. It's all anyone talks about on PvP.

So yeah, it's pretty smooth brain. They could just roll on Kezan pre-merge and problem solved. "If it dies I'm going to Bronzebeard" is peak. I guess pvp isn't really as important to them as a fresh start on a new server. They just don't want to play catchup. Instead we get no-heals bitching in every channel every guildchat every Discord for another month or two before the inevitable merge.

For immediate relief I'd suggest cutting dual spec cost (again) by 50% to help out with the 40-50 50-55 brackets.

Plenty of classes capable of healing and tanking but can't afford it after the mount. Running off-spec tanks in the 45+ game is wearing thin on the few existing main spec healers as well. Priest seems to be the best at healing offspec tanks, other classes I've seen disband and ragequit fast. Some of them don't log back on for awhile.

You know which server has dual spec? COA (maybe BB, but I don't play that cause its for losers)

Dual spec was available at launch on Epoch at 1,000g (which had insulted the playerbase) then was lowered to 100g after some backlash. Since there is already precedent for lowering it, just eliminate the cost or slash it again by another 50%

Better to open up access and let people play different specs faster. Treating it like some achievement you need to grind for seems backwards when population is already causing spec shortages.

jayrebb said:

The calls are mainly from Horde, which has lacked healing since launch. Alliance has a serious heal advantage.

But it was all fine, Horde was used to getting bad groups and fighting a big pile of healers to stalemate and using different strategies-- that is until no healers started to affect dungeon groups outside of PvP. Then people started to panic. The idea is it will take forever to get Ascension to respond to a population issue (same way they stonewall on content updates), so if it's already dipping to 1200, next week is 800. It's the trend. So while the calls to merge are a little early, there is a good reason for it.

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The number of people that actually like open world pvp can be counted on 1 hand. This is why every single fucking pvp server ends up 99% alliance or 99% horde. Its mildly interesting the first few weeks of the server and then it turns into roaming gank squads doing everything they can to hinder someone elses fun time, or a lvl 60 camping out in a newbie zone and fucking them up for hours at a time.

Classic just went through this. Both pvp servers were 99% horde and alliance. Faction balanced pvp servers is the only realistic way going forward, and even in those cases people choose just not to play at all.

I am a brand new private server fan. I never had a positive opinion of them based on others feedback. Stopped playing wow hardcore around the end of AQ40, and picked it up casually again during wotlk and basically only hit lvl cap and quit again.

Epoch intrigued me, so I tried that for a bit. Ignoring all the initial server issues, I had a decent time but it felt exactly like classic up to lvl 40ish, with a few exceptions to a couple of instances and random quests to ease the lvling curve.

I then tried turtle wow on the Ambershire server and found it much more to my liking, as it had new zones and many new instances to go through.

Hearing a ton of negative things about Bronzebeard, so thought I'd try that too. Logged on to whatever Area 52 was and was completely lost...new clue wtf all those classes are...etx. Very overwhelming at first...

Then I paid the $15 for BB beta or whatever to try that out....immediately hooked. Just in the new Tauren area there were elite quests, group mobs, random treasure on the ground....it was fun.

Then I hear all the negativity about level scaling, but apparently there is an NPC somewhere that you can turn it off. However, I remember everyone universally hated lvl scaling in ESO, and then it grew on people and now you can go anywhere and do anything and get appropriate loot / exp. It keeps the world alive even after 10 years have passed...

I think it's great that there are various servers to cater to various groups. It's OK to like one over the other, as people can just choose where to go.

Ill be on Bronzebeard no doubt.

Sylas said:

prolly cus bronzebeard is superior in every way? tons more options and modes better world better talent systems and enchants. Also don't have to worry about PVP servers can just enable high risk pvp with item loot or no risk pvp (ie normal pvp) in town, same server same character just different phase with just PVPers, can activate mercenary mode for full FFA pvp to kill everyone in open world so no need to worry about faction imbalance, i mean literally could go on and on about how superior ascension systems are compared any other shitty server.

Only real anti-classic system is Manastorm which is fully disabled on bronzebeard.

fake pvpers don't like it because there is no twinking (can't disable exp so no lvl 19 bg twinks) but also, full scaling so there is no lvl 19 BG bracket, there are no brackets, everyone 10-60 is scaled up to pvp together and since everything is cross faction there is zero queues when you have enough ppl wanting to pvp.

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I hate the 1-19 twinker clowns

On RZ you had to risk your twink's worn items due to item loot, this was a good thing

Nirgon said:

On RZ you had to risk your twink's worn items due to item loot, this was a good thing

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You didn't delevel with planar? What a newb. There was even a period of time where your skills stayed at what ever level you were at. If you had 200 backstab and went back to 10 you still had 200 backstab.

(I never got above the 30s on RZ)

Arbitrary said:

You didn't delevel with planar? What a newb. There was even a period of time where your skills stayed at what ever level you were at. If you had 200 backstab and went back to 10 you still had 200 backstab.

(I never got above the 30s on RZ)

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Yeah how many of those existed

I can vaguely remember one between classic and velious

And I never saw anyone ripping 500 dmg backstabs at lvl 15 or it even being talked about

The barrier to entry for the planar, at any rate was hundreds of times higher than the WoW twink 19s

The kind of retard who makes a twink 19 wouldn't be a full planar RZ raider anyways

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