Bruuce
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Project Quarm - 1 Box Planes of Power
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Jasker
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I feel the challenge with epics should be completing the steps, not waiting on other people.
There is nothing fun about waiting days for something that takes seconds to do alone or with a small group under normal circumstances.
That's the basis for the philosophy, at least.
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Bruuce
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Waiting on other people? Why would you have to wait for anything besides the mob to spawn? Is this server one of those things where you have to apply in a discord channel to see if you're allowed to kill a mob or not? Because normally you don't have to wait for anyone. The first group to mobilize and kill the group/raid target gets the loot
Here's the technical layout for our new automated raid system, which will also contain a form of 'competition' with scheduled windows where you can compete for extra loot before the NPCs return to window.
I don't think 'waiting for a goblin to spawn so you can left click it and hit give item' is exciting or emergent gameplay. It wasn't then, it isn't now. It's just another step of many that you have to do to complete a quest.
In your own example, you don't normally have to wait for anyone. However, this is at odds with reality of how the game works in theory, versus how the game works in practice.
On Project 1999, you need to /random against other people to do those aforementioned quest turn-ins, or in the case of Verina Tomb, camp a single NPC spawn point for hours with no challenge whatsoever other than knowing when she /might/ spawn, and waiting for her.
On TLP, the person who turns in the mob gets the quest item. But for mobs like Verina Tomb, they are just DPS races.
In both of these cases, you are able to kill the NPC. However, other players may be there, which means you have to wait for 'someone' to do their business until the next spawn, or you have to DPS race a creature against a competing force. Even in Oakwynd, the FTE server, you can still 'steal' FTE credit from another player and 'take' a mob with a large enough force, which defeats the purpose of an FTE system.
On Quarm, we saw two ways in which this could work: Automated raid rotations for those who don't mind waiting a bit to guarantee a specific time in which they can log on, kill the creature, and log off - but they still don't get the choice in the day they do this. And the second option, which suspends the rules on ninja looting, kill stealing and training, and turns raids ultra-competitive for a 2 hour window.
But, for those that differ in opinion, there are other places to play the game where your /random roll is the determining factor of who turns the quest in, and others where the speed of your turn-in determines which loot you get, in which you're also competing with third-party program users for the turn-in.
My opinion, and thus the servers' philosophy is that loot denial in those situations are only favored and encouraged by sociopaths who enjoy watching others suffer. I do not wish to be an enabler for that type of behavior, and I think games should be fun for everyone, not just the person running MacroQuest Next to turn it in with millisecond precision, or the person with great luck through RNG. Neither one of those are indicative of your 'ability' to do the encounter, which is the important distinction.
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Flobee
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So I ended up rerolling with a bud and we're casually duoing. 17 now and I'm finding that the legacy item system is growing on me. At first it just seemed like it would flood the server with loot (it has) but presumably that will fade with time. It does however give really enjoyable chase goals for leveling.
We were originally just hoping to get 20 by January for jboots but now Rubi pieces and even maybe Manastone seem possible. Good system
We were originally just hoping to get 20 by January for jboots but now Rubi pieces and even maybe Manastone seem possible. Good system
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I'm actually incredibly pleased at how that worked out, as it means those camps are accessible but still give you reliable items to hunt.
I was worried about loot flood, too - that's why we have the level requirements. In hindsight, we should have done class requirements, too, but I wanted enough of that circulating that it wouldn't be a case of FOMO.
To be honest, I think we can still tweak the legacy item system sometime in the future.
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Bruuce
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Quarm has the longest wait to get to max level. Youre forced to wait weeks to be allowed to kill raid targets per the forced rotation. But no wait on epics, free epics for everyone, because waiting is bad. The entire game of everquest is waiting for rare spawns
Araxen
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Bro are you actually comparing interactive game play (leveling) with standing around waiting hours for something in window to spawn?
Bruuce
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How much interacting are you doing when you're sitting and waiting for a respawn or waiting for your hp or mana to regen? Does this happen more frequently or less frequently when the custom server increases how much exp you need per level?
Kaines
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Yes. All games should be clicker games where there is never any pause in the gameplay....
Bruuce
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Right, thank you for proving my point. This is everquest. "Waiting" is part of the game
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Kaines
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There is a huge difference between a pause in gameplay to regain resources and a fucking 12 hour respawn.
Bruuce
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Because you're watching a blue or red bar slowly regenerate? Have you ever camped an epic spawn like verina tomb or some of those other examples he named? Did you actually sit there for 12 consecutive hours doing nothing? Listing the most ridiculous solution for camping a rare spawn like that seems a little disingenuous tbh