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Sludig

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Shocked no thread, it's been talked about enough.

I figure by now costs and advancements ought to be where I can get something I'd like. Would like to avoid any high dollar service/subscriptions. On other hand it would be ideal to be able to get some kind of phone alert for specific area's of the view and/or be able to live view from my 2nd monitor when I'm home.

Biggest thing I've waited to avoid, I'm lothe to spend a fortune on an installer and I don't really have skills to be running wires through walls. Only really looking for exterior pointed at my gated driveway, possible another out towards my pool/animals. Mounting locations are my house, but I think I'd like at least one on the overhang of my big pole barn/shop would be idea for a straight on view of the driveway to catch plates hopefully. Wifi signal does come from far side of house, but I could possible put an extender on that side of the house or not sure if something running off cell signal or enough of a base station with it's own wifi network would be a thing.

Motivation is we've had the gate once in a rare while unchained or chained funny which we largely put down to ourselves, but todays odd chaining I'm nearly certain I did the usual way. Maybe amazon new driver started to open it to deliver to door and heard the 6 dogs inside going banana's and wimped out would be the simplest explanation, but I almost kinda suspect the 180lb retard kid down the street of coming over to the pool or petting animals, he had his Lenny moment months ago when we've never spoken to me before asking if his guest friend could pet the donkeys which seemed odd if he hadn't done such a thing before.

Haus Haus I know has specifically talked about Eufy I think, not sure whatever competitors might be good right now.
 

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My current strategy on the camera front is that I have an existing camera set up (from a company called HiseeU, or something) with wifi enabled cameras that can also be PoE hard wired. I don't like the interface/DVR so I was looking for alternatives.

I have discovered, and am working on deploying, an open source package called Frigate. This runs in a docker container, acts as a DVR, and can access cameras through a few different protocols so long as they're network attached. In my case I'm going to start with RTSP. I found out there was a simple format to access the camera. SO I just have to plug those addresses into it and it can access the cameras. I used my home gateway/router to lock all the cameras into fixed IPs on the home network.

The thing that this opened by eyes to is that it's also an open protocol, and not authentication protected. So now I am looking into RTSP scanners I can put on a linux laptop to go check all the local wifi networks to see if there are any open cameras around. heh

But to your use case....

If the camera is house mounted is it a place where you could just easily run the power/network cord through the attic? Is not, is it on a side of your house where it gets sun? There are options for solar panels with battery backs which can power many cameras. SO then you get a wifi camera, and a solar panel/battery combo.

Example battery pack :

I'm about to test that one for my camera on my back fence watching the alley behind my house because I don't have power back there, but I know the cameras Wifi can reach so long as it gets power. (tested with an extension cord)

Example of the cameras in my system :
 

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Wyze is cheap, and can do 24/7 if you add a microsd card to each camera. They sell an indoor window mount, so the only thing you need to do is plug it in. Easy setup, but likely sub-optimal positioning. For outside, they sell a lamp socket adapter, so just keep the porch light switch on (add these for either toggle or decora to prevent accidentally turning the light off), and from there they have many camera options, including a pan-and-scan option. I see now that they have a bulb camera. Solar and battery powered options too, and doorbell. You will need a subscription for 24/7 recording to local microSD and other features; $99 billed yearly for 99 cameras, or per camera, etc. They do have a limited desktop webview, but it isn't great. Their AI features (like pet/package/face recognition will lag behind Google Nest and Amazon Ring).

I have one pure Wyze setup and another with an 8-ch Reolink NVR and Ring doorbells. The NVR is simply better, but we did have to run the cat5e.
 
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I also did Wyze. I have 5 on my house and 1 wireless (battery) one on my MIL's garage that covers her front yard and garage. They also sell a solar panel kit that can charge the battery. I didn't do that and we usually have to recharge it about once every other month ( I actually have 2 batteries and we swap them out). Wyze is cheap, you can use their monitoring if you just like to spend money or add a microSD card. The Southern Nevada Desert heat has not killed any of them and I've had these 5-6 years.
 

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yea i do wyze as well, like other have said, it's a mixture of running cable, solar and lightbulb power, the cams are cheap
i'm exploring other cams that do free ai tracing, currently it's 10bucks/mo for ai for wyze
tapo seems to be the leader

also these cams are old, 1080p for like 200ish bucks i can replace the outer perimeter w/ 2k cams and comes w/ ai tracking

Tapo 2K Indoor/Outdoor Dual Lens Pan/Tilt Wired Security Camera, C246D | 125° Wide-Angle View + 6mm Zoom, Motion Tracking, Person/Vehicle Detection, Local Storage or Optional Cloud​


it's also a dual cam, 1 fixed wideangle and a robo pan/tilt telephoto, for 50bucks looks like a steal

tapo is tp-link so it's not a no brand, all my light switches are kasa (phased out tp-link but still works w/ the new tapo app)
 

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My current strategy on the camera front is that I have an existing camera set up (from a company called HiseeU, or something) with wifi enabled cameras that can also be PoE hard wired. I don't like the interface/DVR so I was looking for alternatives.

I have discovered, and am working on deploying, an open source package called Frigate. This runs in a docker container, acts as a DVR, and can access cameras through a few different protocols so long as they're network attached. In my case I'm going to start with RTSP. I found out there was a simple format to access the camera. SO I just have to plug those addresses into it and it can access the cameras. I used my home gateway/router to lock all the cameras into fixed IPs on the home network.

The thing that this opened by eyes to is that it's also an open protocol, and not authentication protected. So now I am looking into RTSP scanners I can put on a linux laptop to go check all the local wifi networks to see if there are any open cameras around. heh

But to your use case....

If the camera is house mounted is it a place where you could just easily run the power/network cord through the attic? Is not, is it on a side of your house where it gets sun? There are options for solar panels with battery backs which can power many cameras. SO then you get a wifi camera, and a solar panel/battery combo.

Example battery pack :

I'm about to test that one for my camera on my back fence watching the alley behind my house because I don't have power back there, but I know the cameras Wifi can reach so long as it gets power. (tested with an extension cord)

Example of the cameras in my system :
I forgot to mention solar ideal, or can split a love from an outlet. I don't have good attic access nor do I really want to run anything up thru. Lord of rodents and recluses
 
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The Amazon(Blink/Ring) or Google (Nest) owned security system all look easy plug-n-play type stuff, but you are also giving them unfettered access to your system and probably have no way to get around paying a subscription.

Wyze is an independent company and it looks like they have a no subscription option, but you get limited features w/o a sub. Since they are a smaller company, they probably get the better camera tech from China into their products faster than Amazon or Google, as well.

Unifi/Ubiquiti also have cameras that plug and play into their own systems. Don't know much about them, but I would trust them more than other big named brands.

If you want to have the latest technology for the money you are paying, more control over the system's security, and not be in a single company's ecosystem, then it takes more time and research to get exactly what you want. Due to the CCP police state, China leads the world in camera tech. So, if you want to isolate the camera system from the internet, the cheapest option is a Chinese DVR from the same company that make the Cameras (Dahue, Hikvision, etc.).

If you want to be able to check it remotely, through the internet, then the most control, security, and ease of use is going to come from a software called Blue Iris. It is a US based software with a bunch of security minded people (users) watching it for security flaws. From what I read, you set up all the cameras on their own LAN or V-LAN (network) then have Blue Iris running on a dedicated server machine with firewall rules that allow it, and only it, to connect to the cameras. Thus walling off any way for the Chinese cameras to phone home (Google/Amazon/Wyze are all using Chinese internals too, afaik).

Since they are continually working on Blue Iris, it is a bit of a different setup to buy it, than most of us are used to. You pay $75 and are entitled to the current version and any version released in the following year from purchase. They offer discounted subscription to people that want/need every new feature, but it sounds like many people just set up their system with that single purchase and let it roll without paying anything more.

This is best place I have found to research "professional" level cameras. Plus they have a bunch of info about setting up Blue Iris and various other helpful things:

Here is a direct link to Blue Iris:
 
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My mom and pops have a system. Easy to install, motion activated puts it right on their phone app with an alert plus video. I think they have like 5 cameras total, easy to install and works off their wi-fi? Or bluetooth? IDK $100 year sub. I think it was a costco special. Im sure its got lots of features, but they are boomers, so.....
 

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Have you looked at any trail cams or game cams? Most are solar, have motion detection, app. Like $250 at Bass Pro and $5/m for data if you just want to run them off cellular. We were at Bass Pro this weekend and I took a picture of two different versions because mother in law wants to put one at her home build site.

I didn’t link into them anymore then to send picture to MIL. She can figure it out if she wants it and I’ll drive out to install it.
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I have a home server running frigate in a docker container in truenas scale.

I have a variety of dahua IP cameras all around my house and block either via cables run through the roof from a poe switch, or for remote ones I have wifi APs in station mode connecting back to my house security wifi, with Poe switches hanging off them to run cameras.

In the frigate server I'm using an Intel GPU to do object detection using OpenVino where it monitors the feeds and detects objects, people, vehicles etc.

It's connected to home assistant and in theory could send me SMS, emails or whatever when I have a delivery or the dog escapes or whatever but I haven't bothered setting that up yet.

Could do all of this a lot easier using Unifi but for me it's as much of a hobby as getting a decent end result so I built it from bits and pieces for fun. Dahua cameras are the best though, their recent model bullet cameras are shit hot and not too expensive.
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I use ubiquiti because I am already invested in their ecology. Love it. Costs more but it is a commercial grade solution with some great AI/Learning capabilities.
 

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Unifi / Ubiquiti - they have a huge range of prices as well. It wont be as cheap as a amazon kit, but it will be a lot better.

Unifi is honestly mere steps below the highest end stuff on all their mainline product lines - Network, Wifi, Security Cameras... they are imo the best for door access.

If you do not need / afford Axis (full axis that is) - then Unifi Protect is the best next option and is quite cheaper and gives you about 95% what axis can. Axis zipsteam protocol (have to use their NVR etc.) and 360* fisheye are much better...but that is about it imo
 

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I don't know much about the newest cameras, but the following YouTuber (that was in my history from years ago) does mostly camera stuff, from the looks of it. He has a decent sized channel, for being so niche (500k).

I was looking for a video I saw years ago that showed Hikvison VS Dahua auto turrets tracking cars and drivers with AI, at an apartment complex, but cant seem to find it. It was kinda amazing and the tech has only gotten better. They were something like $300+ cameras though.

Edit: After watching this video I just read a bit about Reolink VS Dahua, as I thought I had read previously that Reolink is a rebranded Dahua to skirt import issues in the west. According to THIS security company out of Melbourne, they have some key build differences and if your cameras aren't going to be protected by a house, such as under eave mount, then you might want to go with professional grade.

This is a good example of the more expensive pan and zoom using AI, while also being solar:
 
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Here is a channel I've used for a couple different network things, but he does a wide selection of electronics now days. He also uses Blue Iris, so people can see what it looks like. The following video shows the big dogs in the industry, side by side for his set up. He also does a quick run down of some of the technical side of the cameras at the start and why it can be hard to compare and contrast them.

 
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Finally, license plate capture at night is rather difficult and seems to take a camera set up specifically for it (most(?) cameras have the ability for separate setting for day/night).

While the camera is set up for general use at night they let in a TON of light, so when headlights are pointed in the general direction of the camera, it washes out the picture before it can read the plate. If the camera has a built in light or the home/busness owner has secondary flood/IR lights at a particular angle or too bright, it will also flood out the camera on the reflection from the plate.

Small aside that doesn't need it's own post: to capture faces well, at least one camera should be at eye level or lower. This is generally where doorbell cameras do exceedingly well.

Here is a video of a dude from IPcamTalk showing how he was able to set up a camera to pick up plates at night from 85ft away and it's about the best I have ever seen. Wont miss anything watching muted as sound is just music overlay. Time stamped to when he starts showing plates, in motion at 2min mark, can then rewind and read the descriptions:
 
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I have a home server running frigate in a docker container in truenas scale.

I have a variety of dahua IP cameras all around my house and block either via cables run through the roof from a poe switch, or for remote ones I have wifi APs in station mode connecting back to my house security wifi, with Poe switches hanging off them to run cameras.

In the frigate server I'm using an Intel GPU to do object detection using OpenVino where it monitors the feeds and detects objects, people, vehicles etc.

It's connected to home assistant and in theory could send me SMS, emails or whatever when I have a delivery or the dog escapes or whatever but I haven't bothered setting that up yet.

Could do all of this a lot easier using Unifi but for me it's as much of a hobby as getting a decent end result so I built it from bits and pieces for fun. Dahua cameras are the best though, their recent model bullet cameras are shit hot and not too expensive.
I use all mikrotik for my networking because I'm a masochist.
This is EXACTLY where I'm heading.... Hoping to leverage the existing Hiseeu cameras I already have in play. So far I have them connected in RTSP, but need to figure out how to connect the PTR channel correctly.

Adjacent to the other conversation, I have been running Unifi Wifi mesh for years and love it, just recently moved my home firewall to one of their gateways. It's been a pretty easy to use system. Might try a couple of their cameras and see how well/easily they integrate.