Should you tip the waitress and how much thread

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A friend exaggerating how much he earns, never happens! Your friend is full of shit, do the math bro. Second, Texas Roadhouse is a step up from old country Buffett...
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He has three kids and a wife man. He was pretty open about his lack of money when customers stopped showing up. The primary reason I mentioned him is because he stated the same thing the picture did which is "If you can't tip, don't eat out", and literally months later had to quit his job due to not getting enough hours. I haven't known him to exagerate anything, and obviously this was probably a good night, just like the $120.00 is for my girlfriend.

Also TRH with tip share was like $10.44 as a hostess. OCB is currently averaging about $16.60 an hour, with more hours.
 
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And what you're saying still stands as bullshit. When roofing, some days might be ungodly hot, or completely fucking miserable. The roofer's pay doesn't vary according to how hard or easy his day is. It remains the same no matter what, assuming he gets to work at all that day. The same is true of every other form of employment: some days/shifts are better or worse than others. Some days you can coast, some days you have to bust your ass. Generally, outside of commission type employment, the pay remains the same.

Should servers be paid minimum wage? Better than minimum wage? Leave that to the marketplace to decide, and don't expect customers to subsidize their wage is my opinion on it. Like how it works everywhere outside of North America, for the most part. I'm fine with serving/bartending being considered a decent profession and them receiving fair wages, but that cost should be borne by the business (and passed to the customer through higher prices if necessary).

The current system is completely fucked. We haven't even talked about the MASSIVE tax evasion that tipping represents.



Fucking pussy.
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See I prefer the tipping system as it is. If you pay servers minimum wage the cost will just be lumped in with the final check. If you get shit service, but the food is good, now you have to call over the manager if you want some sort of compensation for the bad service. As opposed to getting up, and walking out without leaving a tip. Seems fine to me.
 
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I guess it comes down to locations. The store I worked at was surrounded by nice neighborhoods. And not that it should make any difference, but when I worked there it was owned by General Mills. I've literally not dined in one since I left in 1994. Curious how much Darden changed things. Christ though those numbers in Texas seem really low. Everyone out at the good steak joints id imagine.
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Red lobsters don't do that we'll along the gulf coast I suppose, but straight up, the food is complete shit quality. Cheddar bay biscuits are the only thing worth eating, but even that is not worth a trip to the lobster anymore. In town, any landry's chain, pappa's chain, sea island, etc has higher food quality and in the case of sea island, cheaper with no waiters!!! Aka ortega's kinda of joint.
 
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See I prefer the tipping system as it is. If you pay servers minimum wage the cost will just be lumped in with the final check. If you get shit service, but the food is good, now you have to call over the manager if you want some sort of compensation for the bad service. As opposed to getting up, and walking out without leaving a tip. Seems fine to me.
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Meh, if anything I'm the kind of guy who derives pleasure from shitting on a manager because his serving or kitchen staff is borderline retarded, so that's not really a concern of mine.

And really, wages for serving staff aren't a big cost for most restaurants as compared to food costs, utilities, management, kitchen staff, lease, franchise fees and the like. I bet most restaurants could double what they pay their serving staff and the increase wouldn't even be in the double digits percentage wise as a proportion of their overall costs. I'm not going to notice if the burger that was $15 yesterday is $16 tomorrow.
 
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Meh, if anything I'm the kind of guy who derives pleasure from shitting on a manager because his serving or kitchen staff is borderline retarded, so that's not really a concern of mine.

And really, wages for serving staff aren't a big cost for most restaurants as compared to food costs, utilities, management, kitchen staff, lease, franchise fees and the like. I bet most restaurants could double what they pay their serving staff and the increase wouldn't even be in the double digits percentage wise as a proportion of their overall costs. I'm not going to notice if the burger that was $15 yesterday is $16 tomorrow.
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Honestly, you would be surprised. I use Sea Island as a good example. Good food quality, no wait staff, completely self serve. They have a hostess, bussers, but outside of that, you pick up your order, and fill your own drinks. Meanwhile you can get 8 large shrimp and two huge filets along with two sides (baked potatoe fully loaded etc) and a drink for right at $14 bucks. Man I miss that place, and you don't have to fuck around with a tip. I tip well when I go out being a former waiter, but i prefer places like that because the food is excellent, inexpensive, and I can handle refilling my own drink, pick up my own food without paying someone else to do it.
 
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Yeah, for the average meal I wouldn't have much of an issue with that.

On the other hand, I've noticed that in Europe, Japan and NZ that the service there isn't as doting as it is in North America. They're not at your table every 5 seconds. And the reason for that is that it's also acceptable there to summon your server by calling for them or otherwise signalling (Japan being Japan, some places even have little remotes you can use to do so). Whereas in North America, snapping your fingers and calling out "Garcon!" is a great way to end up eating someone's spit.

For fine dining though, good service can make or break the meal. I don't need or want a server at my table every couple minutes, but they should be doing a walk by of their tables frequently enough to top up drinks and the like.
 
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Fucking pussy.
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Whatever, man. I'm not gonna spin my wheels and have a bullshit troll fight with a bunch of unreasonable dicks who like to talk in circles.

Here's how it is:

Lazy, entitled servers who whine about "cheap" customers are fucking assholes
Shifty, crooked fuckers who cheat the system, IRS, and coworkers at every turn are fucking assholes
Servers who guilt customers or play the pity card in an effort to make more money are pathetic fucking assholes
People who tip poorly on principle are fucking assholes
People who do not tip at all on principle are raging fucking cuntbags
People who make a game out of tipping by docking their servers for every quirky, nitpicking thing they can think of to rationalize how cheap they are are fucking assholes
People who treat other people like shit because of what they do for a living are fucking assholes
People on high horses who talk shit about things they have no first-hand knowledge of are fucking assholes
People who bitch about tipping culture and the shitty system in place, participate in said system, and fuck over the people on the other end are unconscionable fucking assholes

Did I forget anyone?
 
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Hardly. I'm just so sick of seeing all these posts by waiters on Facebook, or wherever about how someone didn't tip them. Why is it that a Walmart employee doesn't get any tips ever, and actually isn't even allowed to accept them (just as CNA's aren't allowed to accept them) yet when they go out to dinner (likely a rare event for them) if they don't tip their waiter is going to think they're a "cheap piece of shit" as the picture states. They make less than the waiter! It's ridiculous...
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Yup. Then waiters only report and pay taxes on a minimum of their tips. So I'm expected to pay your salary on top of the price of dinner, and then pay your share of taxes too? Get fucked you self-important minimal skill requiring assshole.
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Enh, I see both sides of this argument. When I was delivering I kept a log of addresses and tips. Folks who didn't tip didn't get good service, and vice versa. I never went to the point of spitting or otherwise tampering with the person's food, but I was in no hurry to get there, and if they wanted forks or condiments or whatever that wasn't on the order, fuck off. Many of my coworkers were not as nice about it.

I tip when I eat out (pretty rare, but when with family etc) because it is part of the system. Sure servers with a sense of entitlement are assholes, but most of them are just regular folks trying to earn a living.
 
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Enh, I see both sides of this argument. When I was delivering I kept a log of addresses and tips. Folks who didn't tip didn't get good service, and vice versa. I never went to the point of spitting or otherwise tampering with the person's food, but I was in no hurry to get there, and if they wanted forks or condiments or whatever that wasn't on the order, fuck off. Many of my coworkers were not as nice about it.

I tip when I eat out (pretty rare, but when with family etc) because it is part of the system. Sure servers with a sense of entitlement are assholes, but most of them are just regular folks trying to earn a living.
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So... you are a self-admitted asshole? At least you don't hide it, props.
 
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Whatever, man. I'm not gonna spin my wheels and have a bullshit troll fight with a bunch of unreasonable dicks who like to talk in circles.

Here's how it is:

Lazy, entitled servers who whine about "cheap" customers are fucking assholes
Shifty, crooked fuckers who cheat the system, IRS, and coworkers at every turn are fucking assholes
Servers who guilt customers or play the pity card in an effort to make more money are pathetic fucking assholes
People who tip poorly on principle are fucking assholes
People who do not tip at all on principle are raging fucking cuntbags
People who make a game out of tipping by docking their servers for every quirky, nitpicking thing they can think of to rationalize how cheap they are are fucking assholes
People who treat other people like shit because of what they do for a living are fucking assholes
People on high horses who talk shit about things they have no first-hand knowledge of are fucking assholes
People who bitch about tipping culture and the shitty system in place, participate in said system, and fuck over the people on the other end are unconscionable fucking assholes

Did I forget anyone?
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Talking in circles? Bro, my wife worked in restaurants her whole life and her mom still does. I understand that it can be more difficult than others here might make it out to be. All I was saying before is that you're overstating shit, by a fucking mile. I have a pretty stressful life right now with going to school almost full time and working full time and taking care of three kids and still finding time to fuck your mom. But I don't have the balls to think my life is more difficult than my grandfather who worked oil fields in West Texas until he was 77 and they literally kicked him the fuck out. We have 1st world problems. "Oh a customer was mean to me" shut the fuck up. My grandparents lived in a dugout in New Mexico when they were children in the early 1900s, no electricity and shitting in a hole in the ground, going to school half days to work their field in the afternoon. You don't know what hard is.
 
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You never hear a waitress talking about how easy her job was in college. You never hear about how awesome it was to make 25 dollars per hour when her peers were making minimum wage. You never hear a bartender talk about how ridiculous it is to make a dollar just for popping off the cap of a beer bottle. Instead, all you will ever hear is endless complaining of how hard the job is. Compared to other low paying jobs like package handlers, fast food servers, toilet cleaners, warehouse workers, or a million other workers who generally earn less than ten dollars an hour and nobody would ever think about tipping.
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Source is here.

Googled this out of boredom. Love it!
 
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I got the first tip I've ever received for a job last week....it was a 6 pack of heinekin(sp?). You do $3,000 worth of repairs for a guy and you get a 8 dollar 6pack. I'd love to see the servers bitch about that percentage.
 
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But I don't have the balls to think my life is more difficult than my grandfather who worked oil fields in West Texas until he was 77 and they literally kicked him the fuck out. We have 1st world problems. "Oh a customer was mean to me" shut the fuck up. My grandparents lived in a dugout in New Mexico when they were children in the early 1900s, no electricity and shitting in a hole in the ground, going to school half days to work their field in the afternoon. You don't know what hard is.
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I never said I had it harder than your grandfather, either. Or my own, for that matter, one of whom worked at a GM plant in Flint, MI for 40 years (and is still working as a limo driver at the age of 87) and the other, who was a pig farmer. You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not about to put my own personal challenges up here to be mocked; suffice to say I have my own hardships just like anyone, so go fuck yourself when you're finished with my useless mother. I made it abundantly clear that my life as a server is long over and that I was merely trying to provide insight into that world to the uninitiated. I admitted that I overstated, for fuck's sake. Do you want fucking digital blood or something? The fact that you and a few others completely ignored appropriately stated (?) points I had asserted made the pointlessness of this thread evident, hence "I'm out." Jesus Christ.
 
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I need a signed affidavit stating the extent you were wrong.

I put myself in that same group. Every now and then I have a really stressful day and think about how much my job sucks, then I remember how ridiculous that it.
 
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Totals are in... $93.50 in tips on a 7 hour shift of which there were no customers for the last hour..... Factor in the $9.19 minimum wage, and you're looking at $22.54 an hour for picking up plates, and cleaning the floor. This isn't calculating that she only reported $16.00 in tips (since you only have to report a minimum of $2.00 per hour), so her tax burden is much lower than your average $22.54 an hour worker.

Let's not forget this is a Tuesday....
 
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Eomer_sl said:
On the other hand, I've noticed that in Europe, Japan and NZ that the service there isn't as doting as it is in North America
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The middle east is a non-tipping culture as well. You show up, they take your order. If you need anything you raise your hand or make eye contact and nod and they're at your side in a second ready to work. The nice thing about it is there's no such thing as 'sections' so every server is there for you, not just the one working your table. None of that bullshit of trying to track your guy down when you need a drink refill on a busy night.

I've yet to have bad service and we dine out 3+ times a week.

One of the biggest benefits to it is you never get treated like shit just because they know they aren't going to get a big tip from you. Went to an Applebees once by myself and got seated next to a party of 8. Waitress knew even if she blew me she'd probably score a 5 dollar tip at most so while she was constantly going from cock to cock at the next table I spent 10 minute staring at my fettuccine wondering when she was going to bring me the parmessan I asked for when I had ordered. Ended up asking the bartender instead to get me some.

That simply doesn't happen here. I went to a goddamn buffet and one of the staff offered to keep refilling my plate with whatever I wanted so I could sit with my kid.
 
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