Delivery driver when gas was cheap wasn't bad, for wages. Most folks did tip and those who did not. Don't kid yourselves we knew who you were and where you lived . That is why you almost always got dirty hakim for your delivery driver. If there was anything in the order he could snack on and get away with it , he was good with that. If not I do not know , and wouldn't want to know what he did to non tipper foods.
Should you tip the waitress and how much thread
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Quineloe
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and we've come back full circle to the original point: tipping isn't rewarding good service, tipping is paying the restaurant owner's employees. Or, in case of the current asshole of the thread, to force their standards of human appearance on others at the only place they actually can.
I pay everywhere with cash, unless I can get it with an invoice. Is there a reason not to?
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This is wrong. Or at least really misleading. No server in the USA is making, tips included or not, 2.13 an hour. It is federal law that they be brought up, tips or not, to a minimum of 7.25 an hour. The 2.13 is the least they can be paid per hour with tips included as long as including tips they are making at least 7.25 an hour.
Which means, regardless of effort, a server is making 7.25 an hour everywhere in the nation. The thing is, if that 7.25 is coming out of the restaurant/business' wallet, they are usually looking for a job elsewhere pretty fast. Is it a great wage? Nope, not at all. Is it the same as the guy flipping burgers? Yes. Except the guy flipping burgers doesn't get a bonus based on performance (in the vast majority of eating establishments) vs. the server who can literally only make more more than 7.25 based on effort. Never lower. The check they receive isn't indicative of how much they have actually made in the slightest, as it is always used as a buffer for the 5.12 the government says and then it is further garnished by taxes taken from their reported tips. So yes, servers can have ass checks, but the more ass the check the more money they actually made.
And, as someone who has worked with/been a server for a long time, the vast majority of food service servers/waiters are shady as fuck when it comes to reporting their tips, so they are most likely making much more than even their check/assumed income leads one to believe. Only those who work in the most draconian of surveillance/security style restaurants (casinos come to mind) pay close attention to what they are reporting. And even that is sketch in most places. I'm positive my best servers are also raking in an additional 10-20% on the side that isn't reported, every year. Which comes to probably 7-13k, easily.
Don't feel bad for the servers, man.
If anything, remove the concept of "tips" as being a taxable income again, then people can actually be tipped on performance and not on some absolutely inane social stance that was forced on us by the government in the first place. Single mom's with shitty jobs aren't my problem. Especially not in this day and age.
Quineloe
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you're aware that the main criticism of this law is that it's not enforced and many servers sometimes make less than those 7.25 when their boss decides not to follow the law?
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You don't understand, waiters at applebees deserve middle class lifestyles too. Think of the children. Stop being racist. Etc..
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See, I immediately look at that and know 15% is roughly $2.25 (yes, I know it's actually a little higher than that, but this is just for the sake of how I think about tips). I look at the total and take that to the closest whole dollar, so $18.00. $2.27 tip. I realize not everyone can do mental math like that, so I have friends with tip calculators on their phones and other friends that just always overtip (their words) so that they don't have to do any math.
I spend less time doing the mental math than the person plugging it into their calculator and probably just as long as the person making sure they're overtipping instead of undertipping. I honestly don't care anymore...the only thing that really still bothers me (and I'm sure I brought this up earlier in the thread) is having to tip on top of a delivery charge. But if I don't, like the guy just posted above, I know the drivers will remember and treat my pizza like shit.
I spend less time doing the mental math than the person plugging it into their calculator and probably just as long as the person making sure they're overtipping instead of undertipping. I honestly don't care anymore...the only thing that really still bothers me (and I'm sure I brought this up earlier in the thread) is having to tip on top of a delivery charge. But if I don't, like the guy just posted above, I know the drivers will remember and treat my pizza like shit.
Do you actually write out "I can't Math" on the tip line?
But in your own example you undertipped so..
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Er. It is federal law, which means that all they have to do is contact literally any state/federal oversight committee at all and provide proof that they aren't being paid at least 7.25 and then their restaurant gets audited/shut down. Or, you know, just find a different job because I am 100% positive that it isn't common practice for restaurants/bars/whatever to just ignore the law. Which state are you in where they just don't follow federal wage laws? Honest question, since unless the restaurant is somehow completely under the radar of the IRS, they kind of have to.
And, incidentally, in 15 years I've never seen even the worst server make the federal or lower with tips included. No server working 20 hours a week (or less) is taking home a combined total of less than whatever their hours are times 7.25 (minus applicable income taxes) anywhere I have ever been. Anecdotal information and all that, but I've been around and it isn't a thing.
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This whole thing is such a scam. Business owners cry that if they have to pay a fair wage and raise their prices that they'll go out of business. But people are ALREADY paying that higher price when you add bill + tip. I despise the tipping culture here, and it's why I don't go out to eat. The restaurant industry needs to be kept to the same standards as every other industry.
I've never done that, but i remember seeing a picture either on FoHSS or here that had that.
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Every subway I've been in has a tipping jar, just like starbucks. And I will drop a dollar in there if the service is good just because so often the service is bad so I feel like if they do a good job I'll show them my appreciation.
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I'd like to be able to continue to go to my favorite establishments and not be served by nasty ex-cons, so yeah I like giving them a livable middle class wage. Of course the kitchen is filled with other sorts, but I've worked restaurants and honestly sketchy kitchen workers aren't really spitting and ejaculating in your food, even if you're a dickhead. Your server is part of the atmosphere, you're paying for presentation in the building and the plate, you also pay for a certain quality of server.
I think many of you live in some midwestern/southern flyover shitholes and Applebee's really is about the extent of your dining experience, which is part of the problem. That and cheapassedness. Probably the cheap thing more than anything. People keep saying they'd just pay more as part of the menu price, but if that's just a different way of paying then why the fuck does it matter to you? It matters because you see it as a chance to NOT pay some amount of money since its not technically mandatory or theft, and by gosh it just burns some of you fuckheads up that its socially unacceptable to be your cheapskate self and stiff everyone.