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Now let's not get crazy with the word we and us here. I will be slightly annoyed if they don't release something before 2020.
Star Citizen Online - The search for more money
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I hope you are pulling my leg. I never meant to mean everyone does it. But it's very prevalent in the vocal minority and among the less wired in individuals that aren't necessarily gamers but do purchase big name games the same way they consume Hollywood films. The same people who think game development works something like a chicken that just needs to shit out a golden egg. They don't understand that a decent AAA game can easily take 5+ years to produce.
Now part of that is the fault of the developer. Most of them do a shit job of keeping the fans informed. Then again they have next to no say in it when it comes to big name publishers like EA so the blame can be laid there.
On the other side of things you have CIG that has gotten a lot better at fan communication over the past two years but IMO they still suck in key areas such as marketing (front end of site).
I am wondering, do more studios do stuff like stock options for their employees, so they get a cut when the game starts making money? Or is that something that only works for small studios? I guess the outsourced part is just on a payroll (or however that works), but I would expect some of the others to have a stake in the company.
I am saying this because this is the case at least with (most of the )Goblinworks employees who are developing Pathfinder Online.
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Now I have no idea what this actually means, if it is a lot of BS, or if these promises are never delivered on but it would seem that this could be an incentive to keep making those crazy hours.
(I hope we can keep this on the topic of Star Citizen, and not go on a tangent about PFO and Ryan Dancey and whatever.) Just wondering about work environments in the game industry in general. For instance, I could see a studio made out of a bunch of guys developing Iphone games to be quit different (and more relaxing maybe) then working for a high profile studio like CIG that has SO much to deliver. The high profile coming from both the scope of the game and the absolute crazy crowd-funding they have unleashed that is unmatched in the industry.
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I honestly don't know how well they get remunerated. From further reading into working in the industry your pay scales drastically from concept artist to programmer to systems engineer. There is some suggestion that an entry level programmer makes about 50-60k and it scales up drastically with pay up to 100k by the time you have almost a decade of experience. Engineers make about 50% more and concept artist make about 25% less. The guy complaining was an entry level concept artist so he probably only made around 35-40k. Depending on where you live that's either enough to get by or completely inadequate. LA is extremely expensive so getting paid even 40k would likely mean you would be either looking for a roommate or paying most of your earnings into rent. I'm not surprised he left CIG and it seems they are constantly hiring so I'm sure turnover is similar to other studios.
The other person was working as a videographer and that pays rather well if it's a consistent gig but their pay range can be huge based on past experience and this guy had a lot of experience. I actually helped someone out doing videography and it's easy to get a big gig and then nothing for a very very long time.
Their beef seems mostly to do with the insane hours but again that brings us back to wtf do people expect. If CIG suddenly gave a ton of time off for their employees they would basically burn through their cash reserves. CIG isn't Blizzard or EA but then again the industry has been cutting its own throat with the types of games they have been releasing in the past few years. Not to mention giving their detractors in the game magazines fresh ammunition. They are already borderline hostile and dismissive at best towards CIG. They would have a field day tearing into CIG about how they are wasting pledge money on vacations and time off. Not to mention the echo chamber it would produce about "we told you so" on the massive delays it would cause for the game. They really have no incentive to report on the employee woes at CIG since it's exactly what happens across the entire industry and they never lifted a finger to advocate for them so why start now. It would only piss of the other studios, especially ones like EA.
And I looked up Ryan Dancey since you mentioned it and yeah lets not go there. In fact maybe this was a mistake on my part because it seems like a rabbit hole. Perhaps it's best to just let this die from here on out so I'll leave this topic alone from this point on.
The other person was working as a videographer and that pays rather well if it's a consistent gig but their pay range can be huge based on past experience and this guy had a lot of experience. I actually helped someone out doing videography and it's easy to get a big gig and then nothing for a very very long time.
Their beef seems mostly to do with the insane hours but again that brings us back to wtf do people expect. If CIG suddenly gave a ton of time off for their employees they would basically burn through their cash reserves. CIG isn't Blizzard or EA but then again the industry has been cutting its own throat with the types of games they have been releasing in the past few years. Not to mention giving their detractors in the game magazines fresh ammunition. They are already borderline hostile and dismissive at best towards CIG. They would have a field day tearing into CIG about how they are wasting pledge money on vacations and time off. Not to mention the echo chamber it would produce about "we told you so" on the massive delays it would cause for the game. They really have no incentive to report on the employee woes at CIG since it's exactly what happens across the entire industry and they never lifted a finger to advocate for them so why start now. It would only piss of the other studios, especially ones like EA.
And I looked up Ryan Dancey since you mentioned it and yeah lets not go there. In fact maybe this was a mistake on my part because it seems like a rabbit hole. Perhaps it's best to just let this die from here on out so I'll leave this topic alone from this point on.
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FPS reveal video is up. Enjoy.
Couple of points as you watch this. Animations are place holder. They are doing a full mo-cap shoot early next year that will include the Push/Pull implementation in zero-G, dragging teammates, cover system etc. Expected release is "many months" away but it is the very first module set for release in 2015 followed very closely by the first Planetside Module. Also before this aired they showed off how they accurately implemented real positioning/camera in game. It actually works. For those worried about being motion sick don't. They independently animated the eyes, they had to, and added the camera directly to them so your eyes stabilize your view as you concentrate on whatever it is you are looking at, just like they do in real life via your brain. IMO that was the most impressive part of the presentation but it's not explained in the video. You can however notice it as they move around now that I pointed it out. The fact of how subtle it all is makes it all the more immersive IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=cir3w-wIx9U
Couple of points as you watch this. Animations are place holder. They are doing a full mo-cap shoot early next year that will include the Push/Pull implementation in zero-G, dragging teammates, cover system etc. Expected release is "many months" away but it is the very first module set for release in 2015 followed very closely by the first Planetside Module. Also before this aired they showed off how they accurately implemented real positioning/camera in game. It actually works. For those worried about being motion sick don't. They independently animated the eyes, they had to, and added the camera directly to them so your eyes stabilize your view as you concentrate on whatever it is you are looking at, just like they do in real life via your brain. IMO that was the most impressive part of the presentation but it's not explained in the video. You can however notice it as they move around now that I pointed it out. The fact of how subtle it all is makes it all the more immersive IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=cir3w-wIx9U
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I liked the FPS module. About the head-bob: if what you say is true, then great. Still looked as a head bob though.
As long as we get toggles so we can turn all that stuff off.
I also liked the changes they made to the Arena Commander controls. I was actually able to shoot down a Vanduul this time.
I also was much better in tracking their motion and tailing them, so that I finally got to admire some of the vehicle graphics. It is silly, but I wish combat was much slower paced so we could actually truly get immersed in how good those ships look. Currently it just glimpses and flyby's. I guess when you are flying in convoy, you get a much better look, or maybe at a busy docking station.
Anyway, a lot of updates, very nice.
I also liked the changes they made to the Arena Commander controls. I was actually able to shoot down a Vanduul this time.
Anyway, a lot of updates, very nice.
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Someone was nice enough to capture the parts of the event that matter in the early section.
The parts that relate to FPS start at around the 6min mark. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPG-rVu_EQw
The parts that relate to FPS start at around the 6min mark. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPG-rVu_EQw
Well, one of them is actually a game that will be released in the near future so they're notthatsimilar.
They aren't really MMOs. ELITE is closer to a single player or multiplayer game while SC is closer to an mmo but still not there.
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I think they'll both end up being fairly singleplayer friendly. Maybe I'm wrong about it but I feel like most fans want to be special snowflakes ala freelancer/mass effect instead of small time players in a big universe ala Eve. I know personally I want the special snowflake route.
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My dream Sci-fi MMO would be: FreeSpace 2 + EVE + PlanetSide
But I don't think the tech to build/run/support this MMO effectively is even out there. Scale is way too immense while detail is too great.
But I don't think the tech to build/run/support this MMO effectively is even out there. Scale is way too immense while detail is too great.
I personally don't really see the point of the FPS portion, but I guess if you have too much cash. I'm more worried they will screw up the Privateer multiplayer part by trying to do too much.
Elite looks like a decent game, but I hate the asshat community who seem to get their rocks off bashing SC. There's room for both games.
Elite looks like a decent game, but I hate the asshat community who seem to get their rocks off bashing SC. There's room for both games.
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Same boat. X:rebirth pissed me off so much when they constantly tried to go 'hay look, we have FPS in this game, you can WALK IN STATIONSSSSSSSSSSS'.
I JUST FUCKING WANT TO FLY MY SHIP ASSHOLES.