Star Trek Beyond (2016)

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REPORT: Star Trek 4 Loses Pine & Hemsworth Over Pay Dispute
According to The Hollywood Reporter, actors Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth have walked away from Star Trek 4 as talks have fallen through. The outlet claims that talks ultimately broke down due to money as Pine and Hemsworth wanted the studios to stick to their existing deals for the project. However, it appears Paramount is now going back on those apparent deals in order to try to reel in the budget, as the Star Trek franchise doesn’t perform nearly as well as either actors’ retrospective DC or Marvel projects.
Hemsworth was set to return as Kirk’s father, George Kirk, who died in the first film but was set to be brought back as part of a time-traveling storyline.
Can we not have a god damn human-centric / time traveling Star Trek for once? I'm almost glad Paramount is getting stingy and I hope the whole thing explodes in their face if they can't focus on making something that isn't shit.
 

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After making Sulu gay for no reason I hope they just reboot it again in a few years and replace everyone. Bones and Kirk were the only characters I liked in the new ones.
 
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Not sure where this would go thread-wise but I realized something major about Star Trek Enterprise, that ill-fated show from the beginning of the 2000's.

This week I rewatched Beyond for the first time since I saw it in theaters. Movie is a bit dull, not real keen on the 3 Abrams-Trek movies to begin with but this is definitely the least interesting of the 3. The stuff late in the movie with them digging up the USS Franklin was super interesting, because the Franklin was a Warp 4 ship that was pretty much the immediate predecessor of Jonathan Archer's Warp 5 Enterprise. The last voyage of the Franklin would be a cool thing for a prequel episode in another show, surprised no one ever tackled it. The whole Archer era in Abrams-Trek is still canon with Regular Trek, so something like the Franklin could still show up in a different Trek show.

It's kind of interesting that if Abrams-Trek had caught on and become the new law of the land / focal timeline for Trek, the Archer show would have been the only old Trek show that was actually still canon, but I digress: The big thing I realized here was how closely ENT actually followed the established Trek lore. The bad guy in ST Beyond makes reference to fighting in both the Xindi and Romulan wars back to back, so I went and looked into my Trek chronologies to find out when exactly those things happened. Xindi War is 2153-2154, and happened in Season 3 of ENT. Then, ENT ended in 2155 with Season 4, and was cut short from the planned seven seasons. Romulan War is 2056-2060, with the Federation being established right after that. In the show, things wrapped up in 2155 and then jumped forward five years to the Federation founding for the last episode of season 4.

In other words, Seasons 5-7 of ENT were supposed to be the Romulan War and end with the founding of the Federation (as happened anyway). However I suspect that iff ENT had been a success and gone the full seven seasons, the final episode would have actually been the protagonists at the founding, rather than TNG characters having to step in and run the last episode by watching holodeck clips from the founding (which I always thought was a bit of a slap in the face to the ENT cast).

Given how under-utilized the Romulans were throughout the entire Trek canon, ENT covering the Romulan War could have been fantastic, and given that show a lot more of a reason to exist. They would have needed to retcon a few things that TOS established, like the war being "fought with atomic weapons" and possibly the fact that Starfleet and the Romulans never actually saw what each other looked like during the entire war (something that was an iconic reveal in the TOS episode Balance of Terror, honestly one of the original show's top two or three best episodes).

So yeah...we could have gotten three seasons of the Romulan War leading to the establishment of the Federation if ENT hadn't been so lame that it got cancelled halfway through the planned run. It's a shame because Season 4 of ENT is actually really good, and I think they'd found their footing at last by then. Writing was already on the wall though, and original Trek was officially dead until Abrams-Trek and Nu-Trek. Ending with the Romulan War would have been a great ending to the original canon.
 
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I actually liked 3 better than 2, because of the complete just... mishandling of Kahn and blowing up Enterprises - and that complaint includes all sorts of things such as Earth to Kronos teleportation nonsense, Kahn crying because the fefes etc.

3 was overall fine, the main big bad could have been handled better and the music saves the day wave was really bad that it alone almost puts it to the worst of the three, but- just fumbling Kahn... "Hey old Spock, who is this Kahn guy?" - "OOOHHHHHHHHHBOY HE IS BAD!"

The preview they did of Into Darkness, with Kahn as a genetics "doctor" set an awesome tone for that movie, it had so much in a 3min clip and set a great stage and expectation that was completely wasted by the rest of the movie.
 

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I actually liked 3 better than 2, because of the complete just... mishandling of Kahn and blowing up Enterprises - and that complaint includes all sorts of things such as Earth to Kronos teleportation nonsense, Kahn crying because the fefes etc.

3 was overall fine, the main big bad could have been handled better and the music saves the day wave was really bad that it alone almost puts it to the worst of the three, but- just fumbling Kahn... "Hey old Spock, who is this Kahn guy?" - "OOOHHHHHHHHHBOY HE IS BAD!"

The preview they did of Into Darkness, with Kahn as a genetics "doctor" set an awesome tone for that movie, it had so much in a 3min clip and set a great stage and expectation that was completely wasted by the rest of the movie.
It was a laughably bad movie, and yet another example of how much of a fraud JJA is. Big bad head starf leet guy super sneaky builds a super ship and no one notices. It has super warp and super warp weapons! Then throwing the old movie plot into his usual ripoff o tron and o nozzle kirk dies but is resurrcted!

Dumb. Just pure trash.
 

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It was a laughably bad movie, and yet another example of how much of a fraud JJA is. Big bad head starf leet guy super sneaky builds a super ship and no one notices. It has super warp and super warp weapons! Then throwing the old movie plot into his usual ripoff o tron and o nozzle kirk dies but is resurrcted!

Dumb. Just pure trash.

Some of the NuTrek problem is its way to earth centric.

Kirk and crew are out doing random nonsense from ST2 through the end of 4 and when they get back starfleet is like “WTF have you all been doing out there, oh thanks for saving everyone.”


NuTrek 1 was not that bad, had some good origin takes and set things up nicely for a new universe and timeline.

Then into darkness just obliterated every ounce of goodwill. Beyond was really not that bad if you think of it as 2 part episode rather than a big ol movie…and ignore the music thing lol. They could have spent some more time on the bad guy and it would be up there, and tone down the motorcycle part.

Honestly it’s better than insurrection, Lord I hate that one…and nemesis that sucks as well… Ill put beyond above both of them.

Dune buggy guy Picard…
 

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First Contact probably resulted in Nemesis. Insurrection landed with a plop, so the studio execs probably thought “well First Contact was mostly an action movie and fans loved it, the Trek fans must want action! Moar action!!!!!”
 

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The budget did not allow Starfleet to fight more than one Borg cube in FC, then for Nemesis the budget did not allow for Starfleet or more than one enemy ship. Imagine what they could have done with Starfleet Academy's funding.
 

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The budget did not allow Starfleet to fight more than one Borg cube in FC, then for Nemesis the budget did not allow for Starfleet or more than one enemy ship. Imagine what they could have done with Starfleet Academy's funding.

Nemesis was ST2 and 6 mushed together that resulted in only a shadow of each, even in their "moments"

I give Nemesis credit in one thing (perhaps not one thing only, but almost!) - and that is the better use of 3D space flight in combat situations... however I seem to feel that, that, was only a result of them trying to replicate the nebula ships passing over each other scene from 2