Star Trek: Discovery

The Magnificent Ferengi had a fantastic role for Iggy Pop which also saved them having the problem of it costing so much money/time to have Combs playing Brunt and Weyoun onscreen together.

Ko Dokomo_sl said:

There are some very good episodes of DS9 in Season 1 and 2, you just have to dig for them.
I would suggest "The Nagus" 1-11, "Duet 1-19, "In the Hands of the Prophets" 1-20, "Rules of Acquisition" 2-07 "Sanctuary" 2-10, and "Blood Oath" 2-19

I have to say that DS9 was really ahead of it's time in talking about religious extremism and foreign occupation. What we take for granted nearly 20 years later (yes, DS9 premiered in 1993) was the universe that they built in the very first season.

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You almost have to have watched all of DS9 to appreciate the rougher earlier episodes.
You missed episode 1-3 "Past Prologue" which was the introduction of Garak; which also guest starred the Duras Sisters, everyone's favorite wacky conniving Klingons from TNG.
It was crossovers like these that help solidify the show before the overarching plot of Sisko's destiny was formed.

The goal of the first season seemed to be to establish Sisko as a man who who had lost his faith in everything before they could develop him into an unwilling messiah, that was a tall order while also establishing the local history and trying to do the normal morality plays Star Trek was known for. Babylon 5 had similar issues for about the same duration, I would say it may be inherent in the format but Firefly broke the mold by having not one single episode of questionable quality. Both Malcom Reynolds and Benjamin Sisko both share a very similar back story of war and loss and abandonment of faith that parallels the story of Job from the Hebrew Bible excepting that Job never lost his faith but to find salvation Mal and Sisko needed to regain theirs.

+1 for Garak. He's probably the best character to come out of Star Trek.

Which is saying a lot, because Bones McCoy is all sorts of awesome, Captain Picard is no slug, and Quark was 100% reliable as both comic relief and characiture... but it's honestly hard to beat a dual class Iksar Tailor/Assassin who may (or may not) be living in (self imposed) exile and exudes the swamp-gas stink of "I will fuck you up, I will fuck everything that you love up, and I will pin it on your best friend -- entirely for my own amusement".

The amazing thing about Garak is that he wasn't written the straight role of villian. You don't see very many characters like Garak in any of the Star Treks. Star Trek is full of noble savages -- and the Prime Directive "protects" them, but to find an educated savage who exists outside the utopian federation and wishes to remain so, while still being sympathetic to the general goals. For Star Trek, that's pretty fucking nuanced.

AS much as I enjoy the DS9 love lets move this thread in a different direction.



Let the discussion begin.

Poor kid never got his spin off.

I think they could have made it interesting. Like Star Trek: Quantum Leap.

spinnaker_sl said:

As much as I hated Wesley, modern day Wil Wheaton kicks ass. In case anyone hasn't seen these,hereare some pretty interesting/funny reviews he wrote of the episodes he was a part of. He's also pretty entertaining on twitter.

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I thought Wesley was a know it all douche, at the same age most people thought I was a know it all douche and so I can respect him for that.
I enjoy his role on Big Bang Theory, a show that may do more to bring Star Trek back than the kickstarter or the Captain Worf pitch.

Here is a series he does on YouTube, I <3 Garfunkle and Oates (The Gooch!) and Felicia day.
The direction the role playing takes during this episode is both very strange and entertaining.
I thing that promoting these new board games is one of the coolest things he could be doing with his limited fame.

look at that smile, he's still a douche.

TNG > DS9. Too much religious claptrap in DS9. DS9 definitely had a lot better supporting characters though.

I'd love another show, but I'd like it to be more connected with the federation. They're always exploring everything except the federation itself. Obviously they're interested in what is outside, but we don't get to see much of what's inside. I thought the bit in DS9 about the maquis as displaced colonists in Cardassian space was really interesting, but they barely touched it.

Star Wars is really big on exploring the, ultimately dysfunctional, politics of the republic->empire. In Star Trek we're often left to infer that everything on Earth is a perfect union of democracy+capitalism/socialism.

Araysar_sl said:

Started watching Enterprise for the first time.

Most of the way through Season 2 and really enjoying it. Solid characters, very few cookie cutter plots, good storylines. There is a real sense of wonder and excitement about truly exploring space instead of the entrenched feeling of having explored it and just squabbling with others (Ferengi, Cardassians, Klingons, Romulans, etc.) about random shit like in TNG and DS9.

Kinda turned into softcore porn real quick though. Here's a couple of screenshots from an episode I watched

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Lol is that even real?

Yeah its been said to death, but Season 1 and 2 of DS9 are really worth subjecting yourself to, having seen them all adds a lot of perspective to Sisko's character, among other things. +1 for Magnificent Ferengi and Trials and Tribble-ations being the two funniest episodes of the series.

the only episode of enterprise I remember is near the end, where they have a 2 parter that goes into the alt-verse or whatever. It was fucking badass and pretty porno-ish.

I recently saw the best Star Trek episode ever made, The Inner Light (the one where picard gets zapped by a probe and lives a lifetime), and some googling around turned up a whole sequel comic series the original writer did this year, called The Outer Light. Only read a few pages, its pretty rolls-eyes fanfic-y but maybe it'll get better
http://journeytotheinnerlight.com/outerlight/

The writer sounds like a cool guy though, read a couple interviews he did recently
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/fiv...e-inner-lightq

Gavinrad_sl said:

Lol is that even real?

Yeah its been said to death, but Season 1 and 2 of DS9 are really worth subjecting yourself to, having seen them all adds a lot of perspective to Sisko's character, among other things. +1 for Magnificent Ferengi and Trials and Tribble-ations being the two funniest episodes of the series.

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There are a lot of continuity issues that they try to resolve before the show petered out but they really bothered me. Chiefly among them are the Klingon storyline (first contact with the Klingons was supposed to spark off a war Humankind was not prepared for, like the Romans first contact with the Mongol horde. The weird thing they did with mind melding being taboo and spreading disease also didn't mesh because Vulcans are so long lived and traditional that this sacred ceremony of theirs was taboo in Sarek's lifetime (I think he was alive in Enterprise, don't recall).

If it wasn't Trek it would have been a really good show, I can ignore the things that bother me enough to enjoy the good story elements and soft-core rubdowns with Hoshi and T'Pol.
Tripp was the the stand out cast member, he was by far the funniest character.
Here is one of his best episodes (but not the best line of the episode)

What?

That was just mean.

Sorry...

I was always an original and TNG fan. Never really watched DS9, but I know people disliked it.