Star Trek: Picard

spronk said:

someone cut the battle of Wolf 359 into a single scene using clips from DS9, tng, picard, movies, video games, etc



i recognize some of it from the Star Trek experience in Vegas lol

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That’s pretty dope and very well researched. Damn do I miss the Experience in Vegas, though. Was a fun ride and they had that insane warp core breach drink at Quark’s outside of it. I remember we were there when the original version of it was just about to shut down before the Borg revamp. The folks let us just spam ride the thing over and over as much as we wanted on one ticket.

lol armus the tar beast as a navigator at the end was the best part.

spronk said:

Today is the 30th anniversary of the TNG and Voyager finale.

All good things must come to an end.

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Instead of depression, I get super nostalgic about, well, everything lol. When I first me the wife, I bought the entire DVD box set of TNG and we watched it start to finish together between dates. She tried to get me into Red Dwarf but I just couldn't do it

Time for a rewatch of TNG and Voyager I think.

RobXIII said:

She tried to get me into Red Dwarf but I just couldn't do it

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That's why everyone hates rob. I never got it until just now.

spronk said:

The mexican doctor chick was muy caliente.

The Confederation stuff was really cool, too bad it only lasted like 40 mins but woulda loved to see way, way more of that stuff.

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Watched most of S2 this weekend. Yeah, more of the Mirror Universe would have been great. Latina doctor is something else, I hope Rios stays in the past with her. I don't even care that she's a single mom, I'd suck on her toes all day. Actually, some of the most interesting women I've met IRL have been Latina single moms. They tend to get run off on a lot for some reason. They also tend to be fiercely dedicated to their child (and later your child). Brazillian women will defend your kids like a tigress.

Anyway, yeah, finally watching S2 of this show. At this point the only old Trek I haven't seen is S7 of DS9. Haven't bothered with any nu Trek besides Picard S1 and Discovery S1, before now, and probably won't. Heard Picard S3 was good, though, so I decided to swerve away from finishing DS9 and check out the rest of Picard instead. I'm a big Enterprise model enthusiast, so when I heard this show has lots of Enterprise-G and a bit of Enterprise-F, I was on board. That stuff isn't until S3 though.

As for S2? Started out shockingly good. I had basement-level expectations after how bad S1 was. The first two episodes of S2 were really gripping. The third episode (the mirror universe) was a little less so because the real-world social commentary was starting to pop in and distract, but still extremely interesting. Wish they would have done more episodes in that setting. Soon as they said they were going back to 2024 I was like "ohhh shit".

Episode 4 through 7, which is as far as I got, were basically a bit of a turd sandwich. The only parts I really liked were Rios and the Latina doctor. They're full of real-world commentary, which is fine if tiresome, except a lot of it was just plain stupid.

-Guinan cutting promos about how oppressed blacks are in 2024 America, when Guinan was fine partying with rich white people in the 1880s (a time when blacks actually WERE oppressed)

-Three different female characters in the span of two episodes smashing windows and talking about how good it felt

-Multiple allusions to how America was about to collapse and it's amazing it lasted this long because it's so terrible and awful

-All of the ICE agents being white guys and physically abusive to everyone they capture, when in reality they're an extremely diverse group. Usually more diverse than the people protesting against them. Pretty common to watch these videos of them and see a bunch of black and Latino agents doing their jobs while getting screamed at by a crowd of 90% white people.

Then there's the non-commentary that's just plain idiotic, like characters making stupid mistakes, acting like kids, and so forth. Seven stealing a police car and then fucking flooring it all over the place like a complete idiot, driving down one ways in the wrong direction. Aren't these characters supposed to be trained super-agents, basically?

Funny note: I got this season from the library and checked the discs. Disc 1 is very scratched and looks heavily-used. Disc 2 looks somewhat used, but significantly less. Disc 3 is basically pristine. Which tells me that pretty much everyone who checked this out previously stopped watching at some point during episodes 4 through 7 (which comprise disc 2).

I went back and read all the posts here about Season 2 (noted it was a lot fewer pages than Season 1 got). Agree with a lot of what was said here. Season 2 is a mixed bag. It starts out really good, so much that I was kind of blown away by it. Then it goes downhill fast into a political lecture.

Cybsled said:

Picard was viewing his father and mother through the eyes of a child. With an adult perspective, he realizes that his mother was mentally ill and his father (who seemed cruel in his eyes as a kid) was actually trying to do his damnest to keep Picard alive and try to handle his suicidal wife. Then Picard as a kid lets her out of the room and she kills herself. We don't see the years afterwards, but that presumably fucked his father up. The later scenes in the season vindicated the father a lot and Picard realized he had been wrong about him

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This part was good. Liked that Picard realized he'd been wrong about his dad, and that we got different perspectives on the same situation.

Also the parts with Renee Picard rising above her self-doubt to go and do the spaceflight, that part was great too. Would have liked to see more of her.

Cybsled said:

There are 2 explanations

1) the prop people understood the history and put in the sign as an Easter egg

2) the writers understood the history and the sign was intentionally there

Given the track record of new Trek, I admit #1 might be more likely, but we can still hope lol

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There are a few easter eggs. Picard's bookshelves early in E1 have a model of the rarely-seen Enterprise-C. Was really weird to see that be the model on his shelf and not his own Enterprise-D. Always felt like Enterprise-C had the best design out of any of the Enterprises. Basically takes the best aspects of the TOS and TNG ships and combines them. Too bad it wasn't the main ship for TNG, but it probably looked too much like the TOS design for them and they wanted more differentiation.

Cynical said:

I'm just a dumb Canuck, but aren't the elections in November 2024? Show is in 2024?

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Yes. Season 2 is a show from 2022, where they time-travel back to 2024, and Trump wasn't president at that time, Biden was.

I actually respect them for showing that ICE does the same job even when someone they like is in office. It has been since 2003. It didn't just stop operating for four years with Biden. Only difference was that people stopped giving a shit for a while.

As for the show, I suspect they were having a bit of a conundrum because they wanted it to be a "we have to make the right choice" message ahead of 2024, but they also wanted it to be set in the awful present-day which would mean 2025. In the end they went with 2024 because that's when the Bell Riots happened. The Second Civil War pops off in 2026, which is what they're alluding to every time they talk about society breaking down soon.

Given how poorly thought-out some of the show is, it's possible they just wanted Picard S2 set in 2024 along with the implication that the country was living under Trump, hoping the audience wouldn't think about it too much or add up the months / when inauguration day happens.

They also went to the "tallest building in LA" and it was the second-tallest. They must have looked it up on Wikipedia. The second-tallest is the tallest by antenna height, but a distant second on roof height. They were on the roof. The camera pans around them and the building had to do half-moons to avoid showing the much taller building nearby.

Also when they showed Okinawa, it was clearly Hong Kong, one of the most recognizable cities on Earth. That part was bizarre. Okinawa's tallest building is like 150 feet because it's built on sand. What they did would be like showing a picture of New York City and labeling it "Boston".

Xenrauk said:

I'm sitting here thinking... Discovery isn't that bad of a show now... compared to this.... monstrosity...
Goodbye TNG era, you were loved.

P.S Raffi sucks fucking ass. One minute worried about keeping a low profile don't carry phasers, next minute shoots out a police car window cause "fun", next minute worried again about low profile with Seven driving, stupid ass writing.

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Yeah that part was pretty goddamn stupid. The two super-agent characters stealing a cop car and flying all over the place in it, endangering everyone around them, using no stealth or subtlety whatsoever. Looking forward to their knife rampage in the finale, I remember Angry Joe wondering aloud if the men on the show were just all completely useless after that part.

Arbitrary said:

Star Trek is about a future in which humanity has bested many of its great nemeses. It's optimistic. Star Trek was one of the few shows that Dr. Martin Luthor King Jr. allowed his kids to watch. We've got a Jap on the helm and a Ruskie in charge of the weapon's system post WW2 and with the Cold War raging. Roddenberry had to place Uhuru right behind Kirk to keep the television stations in the South from being able to just edit her out. That character is like 5th in command on the Federation's flagship. Star Trek has the first interracial kiss - between Kirk and Uhura. When filming that scene the studio tried to cut it but Shatner and Nichols just went through with the kiss again and again until they ran out of film.

Get fucking fucked with this "Star Trek has always been SJW" horseshit. Star Trek has always been progressive. A future in which we've put race behind us? Great! Remember that episode of TOS where there's two groups of people at war - one with white and black faces and the other with black and white faces - and everyone thinks their dispute is beyond ridiculous? That episode would be racist by today's standards. It's dismissive to mixed-race individuals and doesn't capture the reality of blackness in the modern day etc etc etc. Instead of moving beyond race SJWs have made everything about race and gender. Star Trek's message was the literal opposite of that for more than half a century.

I'd love some "let's all hold hands and march in to the future together" science fiction where Jean Luc Picard fixes problems with words but what we're going to get is Patrick Stewart punching Space Boris Johnson for wanting Space Borders.

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This is all well-said, I agree with it.

Rajaah said:

Joe IS a lefty, but he's constantly saying that they overreach and go too far with things and turn off people that could be allies, stuff like that.

So basically he's me in 2018. Give it a couple years and he'll be just as pissed-off, just need the cancel mob to go after him about something innocuous and dumb and it'll be that last push he needs.

I'm also proof that someone can have a lot of progressive values and also be red-pilled as fuck, and I see Joe rapidly going the same route.

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Me talking about Angry Joe back in 2022. Well, the cancel mob never went after him, and he went full TDS in 2025 with the ICE stuff and the two protesters getting shot. He rants on Twitter a lot about how Trump lies so much, but to his credit he keeps it out of his videos. As far as I know. I don't watch him much anymore because his yelling and talking over his two co-hosts got ridiculous after a while. He's gotten better about that more recently though, after numerous people commented on it every video.

So anyway, I was wrong, Joe's redpilling ground to a halt once he got pulled into the TDS side of social media.

nevergone said:

Raffi is an incoherent and inconsistently written character. It's unfortunate, too, because we've much better examples of Star Fleet officers that have fallen out of adherence with their principles and discipline. It would be a great opportunity to take her character in any number of interesting directions, but as it stands it seems like the writers want her to be in this weird state of perpetual motivational amnesia.

The current-day stuff is being delivered in a far too on the nose and polarized manner. One of the neat things about Star Trek of the past was the writers' ability to examine present day moral and ethical dilemma and broaden the lens to (for the most part) avoid taking a political stance and stay at the "right vs. wrong" level. This iteration seems intent on bashing the viewers over the head with moralistic positions.

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Raffi is 100% a self-insert type character that spastic young women are supposed to identify with.

And agreed on the current-day stuff being polarized. People say Star Trek has always been woke, and they're right. It was usually done in a way even conservatives could appreciate, though. Old Trek shows would deliver messaging and perspectives that made you think more critically about the world, while nu Trek is much more in the business of just directly telling you what to think.

j00t said:

it sort of baffles my mind that they would take a character that is pretty universally liked, if not adored, and create a whole new show about him, while marketing it to ALL the people who adore that character... only to show the character repeatedly getting taken down peg after peg after peg.

"Remember how much you LOVED Picard?! Well tune in next week where we see him castrated then crucified!"

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It's deconstruction and humiliation rituals. They do it over and over again in entertainment. I wonder if this happened in the late-stage Roman Empire, when it was barely Roman anymore. They probably did "deconstruct" all of their mythological heroes by then. The fall of the Romans was a controlled demolition.

Cybsled said:

Right, it's like saying the first Doctor was the best in Doctor Who because he was first.

Enterprise being canceled was a damn shame. It started to really find its stride and get good in it's final season before getting the axe. It was clear they were building towards the first Romulan vs. Starfleet war.

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Enterprise Season 5 through 7 would have really been something. And yeah, year-wise they lined up with the Romulan War. I've always wanted to see the Romulans get more airtime and be more of antagonists to Starfleet. They might have been able to recapture the magic of the Dominion War with a 3 season arc.

Also, Enterprise was getting a redesign in Season 5 that would have vastly improved the look of the ship and put it more in line with Kirk's Enterprise.

Season 7 would have culminated with the end of the Romulan War and the founding of the Federation. Since the show got cancelled in Season 4, they jumped ahead to the Federation founding in the final episode of S4 and had it be TNG characters looking back at old tapes of it, essentially. Which I always thought was a big insult to the cast of Enterprise, but it is what it is. There was no mention of it in the episode, but it followed several years of conflict.

From Memory Alpha. Errr, what? When did any of the Trek shows say that March For Our Lives had anything to do with the Second Civil War? That's a pretty new development. Is this some fuckery from SNW?

You know, getting rid of police and also getting rid of guns is an especially stupid combination. Bad guys would be able to hurt whoever they want, we'd have mob rule almost immediately with people unable to defend themselves, and women would suffer the most by far. Also the government and elites position over the people would be greatly strengthened. Make it make sense.