Star Trek: Starfleet Academy

Good post-mortem on how we got here. Full timeline account and the decisions made.

the streaming stuff is fascinating because its a complete disconnect from the old network TV model. Network TV needed to sell ads every day so they needed sports and new shows to pump ads. Reality TV worked really well so during the final years of network TV it was almost all reality TV, which is still true now - dancing with the stars and NFL football draw much bigger numbers than whatever remaining sitcoms air (Abbott Elementary, etc). Those latter things only get views when they finally get licensed out to Netflix and people can binge 3-6 seasons of something they didn't see.

Streaming however doesn't really depend on new shows. A lot of people pay for streaming to watch old shit. Friends, Seinfeld, South Park, Simpsons, on and on its comfort TV while eating comfort food in a stressful world. While some new stuff gets in there it tends to be CSI type of stuff you can watch with your brain off and on the phone. Plot heavy, complex shows are pretty much relegated now to Apple TV+ and a little bit on HBO, and I wonder how much of that will disappear when HBO/Paramount merge.

If people only pay for HBO, Paramount, Disney, etc to watch older stuff and big movies that eventually find their home on streaming, it makes little sense to pay for expensive new shows that do nothing to build sub count numbers. In the last 2 years we've seen Disney, Netflix, and Paramount realize that new expensive TV shows are doing absolutely nothing for their bottom line.

spronk said:

the streaming stuff is fascinating because its a complete disconnect from the old network TV model. Network TV needed to sell ads every day so they needed sports and new shows to pump ads. Reality TV worked really well so during the final years of network TV it was almost all reality TV, which is still true now - dancing with the stars and NFL football draw much bigger numbers than whatever remaining sitcoms air (Abbott Elementary, etc). Those latter things only get views when they finally get licensed out to Netflix and people can binge 3-6 seasons of something they didn't see.

Streaming however doesn't really depend on new shows. A lot of people pay for streaming to watch old shit. Friends, Seinfeld, South Park, Simpsons, on and on its comfort TV while eating comfort food in a stressful world. While some new stuff gets in there it tends to be CSI type of stuff you can watch with your brain off and on the phone. Plot heavy, complex shows are pretty much relegated now to Apple TV+ and a little bit on HBO, and I wonder how much of that will disappear when HBO/Paramount merge.

If people only pay for HBO, Paramount, Disney, etc to watch older stuff and big movies that eventually find their home on streaming, it makes little sense to pay for expensive new shows that do nothing to build sub count numbers. In the last 2 years we've seen Disney, Netflix, and Paramount realize that new expensive TV shows are doing absolutely nothing for their bottom line.

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This is 100% true. I have one friend that watches nothing except Andy Griffith and Matlock.

spronk said:

the streaming stuff is fascinating because its a complete disconnect from the old network TV model. Network TV needed to sell ads every day so they needed sports and new shows to pump ads. Reality TV worked really well so during the final years of network TV it was almost all reality TV, which is still true now - dancing with the stars and NFL football draw much bigger numbers than whatever remaining sitcoms air (Abbott Elementary, etc). Those latter things only get views when they finally get licensed out to Netflix and people can binge 3-6 seasons of something they didn't see.

Streaming however doesn't really depend on new shows. A lot of people pay for streaming to watch old shit. Friends, Seinfeld, South Park, Simpsons, on and on its comfort TV while eating comfort food in a stressful world. While some new stuff gets in there it tends to be CSI type of stuff you can watch with your brain off and on the phone. Plot heavy, complex shows are pretty much relegated now to Apple TV+ and a little bit on HBO, and I wonder how much of that will disappear when HBO/Paramount merge.

If people only pay for HBO, Paramount, Disney, etc to watch older stuff and big movies that eventually find their home on streaming, it makes little sense to pay for expensive new shows that do nothing to build sub count numbers. In the last 2 years we've seen Disney, Netflix, and Paramount realize that new expensive TV shows are doing absolutely nothing for their bottom line.

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Also, maybe today's new shows suck and we have to rely on old shows to entertain us.

I always liked star trek in general but they keep trying to make it something its not, like star wars or other sci-fi.

It had the federation as the ideal place to be a part of and travel to 3rd world planets to vaguely talk about our modern day issues. But now its not vague and just girl boss trans shit directly in our face.

Just make an episode of the "we are strong now" retards geordi helped but they have mass transport ships that barely fly trying to invade Vulcan or some shit and they have a secret hero killing all the transport ship and they learn to stay home and make their own planet better. There 41 minutes of TV gold.

spronk said:

the streaming stuff is fascinating because its a complete disconnect from the old network TV model. Network TV needed to sell ads every day so they needed sports and new shows to pump ads. Reality TV worked really well so during the final years of network TV it was almost all reality TV, which is still true now - dancing with the stars and NFL football draw much bigger numbers than whatever remaining sitcoms air (Abbott Elementary, etc). Those latter things only get views when they finally get licensed out to Netflix and people can binge 3-6 seasons of something they didn't see.

Streaming however doesn't really depend on new shows. A lot of people pay for streaming to watch old shit. Friends, Seinfeld, South Park, Simpsons, on and on its comfort TV while eating comfort food in a stressful world. While some new stuff gets in there it tends to be CSI type of stuff you can watch with your brain off and on the phone. Plot heavy, complex shows are pretty much relegated now to Apple TV+ and a little bit on HBO, and I wonder how much of that will disappear when HBO/Paramount merge.

If people only pay for HBO, Paramount, Disney, etc to watch older stuff and big movies that eventually find their home on streaming, it makes little sense to pay for expensive new shows that do nothing to build sub count numbers. In the last 2 years we've seen Disney, Netflix, and Paramount realize that new expensive TV shows are doing absolutely nothing for their bottom line.

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Interesting chart. Paramount + does not have Yellowstone. I am curious as to how it got that rating on Paramount Plus.

Mahes said:

Interesting chart. Paramount + does not have Yellowstone. I am curious as to how it got that rating on Paramount Plus.

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Would have to be international, probably Europe/UK. Which isn't worthless as a metric but still odd if the chart is comparing region-restricted shows to globally available ones

Crisco said:

Just make an episode of the "we are strong now" retards geordi helped but they have mass transport ships that barely fly trying to invade Vulcan or some shit and they have a secret hero killing all the transport ship and they learn to stay home and make their own planet better. There 41 minutes of TV gold.

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They actually had storyline involving those aliens in Lower Decks in one of the seasons

Cybsled said:

They actually had storyline involving those aliens in Lower Decks in one of the seasons

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Lower Decks scooping up a couple of underdeveloped races to run with like the Pakled and Orion was a smart decision and having Star Fleet's first Tamarian was funnier than I ever expected it was going to be.