Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

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i tried watching this for the first time today

this is a joke

spaceship crew members constantly going to therapy sessions, talking like zoomers with their retarded haircuts. a captain who constantly cooks for his crew, the trek version of corporate "Servant Leader" that gets crammed down everyones throat as the new corporate leadership fad.

i cant take this seriously
 
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wormie said:
And Enterprise is second best. That's right, I fucking said it.
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hard to disagree. TNG holds a special place in resuscitating the whole franchise but there are a LOT of bad episodes in TNG, even in later seasons

I've rewatched a lot of it lately and its pretty cringe. Enterprise with Scott Bakula just did better stories with a lot less cringe.
 
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Cybsled said:
Sisko used to cook a bunch. Riker cooked that gross egg that only Worf liked ;p
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Sisko cooked almost entirely for family, and they had cooking as a big part of his family occupation (father owned a restaurant in NO, etc.).

I think there was only like 1-2 episodes out of 170 where the crew were invited for dinner.
 
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Even then, its an odd thing to nitpick over. Every captain has their quirk - Pike likes to cook big ass meals
 
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Cybsled said:
Even then, its an odd thing to nitpick over. Every captain has their quirk - Pike likes to cook big ass meals
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This isn't about the meals specifically, like I said before - this is about pushing "Servant Leadership" which is in vogue right now in leftist corporate America because it subverts the perceived "white male - minority woman" power structure. The meal symbolism is just one of the simpler ways to effectively frame that ideology.

He is the captain and the leader, but he regularly cucks himself to his Team Wahmyn. This dude acts, talks, behaves like every single effete white male manager in corporate America who embraces DEI. The fact that the writers are writing him like this, is no coincidence.
 
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Araysar said:
this is pushing about "Servant Leadership" which is in vogue right now in leftist corporate America because it subverts the perceived "white male - minority woman" power structure. The meal symbolism is just one of the simpler ways to effectively frame that ideology.
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I recently got denied a Sr. Ops Manager role at Patagonia because of this.

When I got denied the position, I asked for feedback, and their reason for not selecting me is that I didn't embody their "servant leadership" ideals - aka, I didn't answer "servant leadership" to their generic, "What type of leadership style do you most represent" question.
 
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I recently got denied a Sr. Ops Manager role at Patagonia because of this.

When I got denied the position, I asked for feedback, and their reason for not selecting me is that I didn't embody their "servant leadership" ideals - aka, I didn't answer "servant leadership" to their generic, "What type of leadership style do you most represent" question.
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Its a humiliation ritual that all males have to go through now. I've seen even non-white males now do this to ingratiate themselves to predominantly female HR.
 
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the best chefs in the world are all men, it makes sense that in the future thats still true

there is plenty of woke stuff in this show and its bizarre to complain about woke in Star Trek, the entire point of the show from the start was to be be progressive, anti-capitalism, feminist, on and on. You're at the "the Empire are the true rebels" levels of rationalizing shit you liked as a kid.

SNW is the closest to TNG/DS9 in levels of story telling, actors, etc. Its all trying to push a message of pro-immigration, pro-diversity, pro-equality, etc the only difference in the level of eye roll cringe, on one side you got Discovery and at the other end shit nobody watches like the Jesus bible movies. The funny thing is if Trek wanted to truly be subversive and anti-establishment, it would actually push a right wing, "no race/ethnic mixing, purity is best, borders are all closed" Romulan type of main character/storyline but nobody will greenlight those ideas.

the next Trek show is Star Trek academy starring the fat ginger from Discovery so good luck finding something better than SNW
 
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Replying to the “servant leadership”, doesnt that just really boil down to an employee morale issue and an attempt to boost productivity?

Seems like simple psychology - you’re more likely to put in more effort for someone who seems like they care vs someone just barking orders.
 
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Cybsled said:
Replying to the “servant leadership”, doesnt that just really boil down to an employee morale issue and an attempt to boost productivity?

Seems like simple psychology - you’re more likely to put in more effort for someone who seems like they care vs someone just barking orders.
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Not really. There's a lot more to it than that, but this isn't the thread for it.
 
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Cybsled said:
Replying to the “servant leadership”, doesnt that just really boil down to an employee morale issue and an attempt to boost productivity?

Seems like simple psychology - you’re more likely to put in more effort for someone who seems like they care vs someone just barking orders.
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you can boost morale productivity without having your management go through ritualized groveling humiliation

But thats not what "Servant Leadership" is about anyways. One of senior management I worked for totally bought into it and was spending all his time personally catering to whims of entry level women, most of them weren't even work related. It was comical and looked humiliating.

Anyways, the reason I picked up on it is that these mannerisms and conversations that Pike engages in, i have seen them regularly at work. After a few scenes, i was like "wait a minute, why does Pike come across as Manager <name> from my last company?"
 
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the best chefs in the world are all men, it makes sense that in the future thats still true

there is plenty of woke stuff in this show and its bizarre to complain about woke in Star Trek, the entire point of the show from the start was to be be progressive, anti-capitalism, feminist, on and on. You're at the "the Empire are the true rebels" levels of rationalizing shit you liked as a kid.

SNW is the closest to TNG/DS9 in levels of story telling, actors, etc. Its all trying to push a message of pro-immigration, pro-diversity, pro-equality, etc the only difference in the level of eye roll cringe, on one side you got Discovery and at the other end shit nobody watches like the Jesus bible movies. The funny thing is if Trek wanted to truly be subversive and anti-establishment, it would actually push a right wing, "no race/ethnic mixing, purity is best, borders are all closed" Romulan type of main character/storyline but nobody will greenlight those ideas.
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I find 1990s levels of "diversity" to be palatable. The 2020s Star Trek: The Zoomer Generation is a bridge too far for me.

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the next Trek show is Star Trek academy starring the fat ginger from Discovery so good luck finding something better than SNW
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I'm not desperate. This whole IP can die after Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, SNW, etc.
 
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Cybsled said:
Why you hate Lower Decks?
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I know IMDB says tomorrow but 1st 2 ep of Strange new worlds is up right now on the high seas.
 
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