Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

DickTrickle said:

I wonder if Lando is going to end up being the savior. He's black so that instantly gives him a chance to avoid original trilogy assassination.

Plus, he was pals with Han and now he's dead, so that could provide some motivation to help. Plus, maybe he is back to being a big corporate dude and has many planets/areas under his control (not just Cloud City anymore), and that will provide resources/manpower for the new rebellion.

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I got a look at the script and you are right, Lando is somewhat the savior. Here's a line of dialogue from the upcoming film -

"Kylo, I am your father" - Lando

Cuck Solo liked to watch Leah get blacked by his old friend. He'd prep the bull, clean him off after, etc. You know, the basics. Nothing fancy. It's all told in flashbacks and is very tasteful.

The studio is pretty confident the fans are going to love it.

Arbitrary said:

I got a look at the script and you are right, Lando is somewhat the savior. Here's a line of dialogue from the upcoming film -

"Kylo, I am your father" - Lando

Cuck Solo liked to watch Leah get blacked by his old friend. He'd prep the bull, clean him off after, etc. You know, the basics. Nothing fancy. It's all told in flashbacks and is very tasteful.

The studio is pretty confident the fans are going to love it.

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Finn is Lando and Leia's kid. Kylo is Han and Leia's kid. Rey is Luke and Leia's kid. The porgs are Chewy and Leia's kids. Obviously.

Sterling said:

Finn is Lando and Leia's kid. Kylo is Han and Leia's kid. Rey is Luke and Leia's kid. The porgs are Chewy and Leia's kids. Obviously.

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Having everyone be related to everyone else is just good screenwriting.

Sterling said:

Finn is Lando and Leia's kid. Kylo is Han and Leia's kid. Rey is Luke and Leia's kid. The porgs are Chewy and Leia's kids. Obviously.

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That would explain a lot of things better than Johnson did, but can one vagina handle delivering that many force babies without dying of sadness? Is Leia some kind of super woman or something? Oh, right, never mind.

Melvin said:

That would explain a lot of things better than Johnson did, but can one vagina handle delivering that many force babies without dying of sadness? Is Leia some kind of super woman or something? Oh, right, never mind.

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She's the Galactic Bicycle, she can handle it.

Sterling said:

Finn is Lando and Leia's kid

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Even a long time ago in a galaxy far far away black dudes don't stick around to help raise their kids.

DickTrickle said:

I wonder if Lando is going to end up being the savior. He's black so that instantly gives him a chance to avoid original trilogy assassination.

Plus, he was pals with Han and now he's dead, so that could provide some motivation to help. Plus, maybe he is back to being a big corporate dude and has many planets/areas under his control (not just Cloud City anymore), and that will provide resources/manpower for the new rebellion.

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Lando isn't a rebel though. His absence from the last two movies is proof of it. Plus he could provide some ships, but he has no soldiers and there are no commanders to work those ships. It's all a giant clusterfuck.

lando is so rebel, he rebelled from the rebellion.

Izo said:

Yeah, I remember that scene too.

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But him tossing the saber in this scene is him refusing to fight his father, for whom he can still sense the good. (But somehow couldn't with his nephew Kylo Ren later on in his life?)

In TLJ, it is him rejecting the entire concept of the Jedi in totality.

Not the same.

Something that occurred to me when reading speculation about Ep 9: in early Ep 8 talks didn't they say quite a bit about part of the movie being a Finn/Poe 'on the road'/buddy movie? I wonder if in an earlier draft there was no Rose and if Poe jetted off with Finn to Canto Bight / other adventures which ultimately prove foolish.

I kinda like that each of the primary three (Rey,Finn,Poe) has their own heroes journey in TLJ, but there really is precious little actual dialogue between them.

Qhue said:

Something that occurred to me when reading speculation about Ep 9: in early Ep 8 talks didn't they say quite a bit about part of the movie being a Finn/Poe 'on the road'/buddy movie? I wonder if in an earlier draft there was no Rose and if Poe jetted off with Finn to Canto Bight / other adventures which ultimately prove foolish.

I kinda like that each of the primary three (Rey,Finn,Poe) has their own heroes journey in TLJ, but there really is precious little actual dialogue between them.

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Correct Rose was a rewrite by the story committee at Lucas Film, headed by Kathleen. It was not a part of Rian's original first draft.

That was KK on that particular change. She had to personally threaten to kill Finn in Episode 8 in order to get him to agree to the new script change (the change where he goes off on a meaningless tangent that has fuckall to do with anything of consequence)

Boyega was furious and he was putting up enough fuss and threatening to make ruckus about it, that Kathleen had to personally handle that situation herself and directly confront Boyega. Rian was not the person who handled it, which is even more indicator that Kathleen was the one who had made the rewrite to his story (through the Lucas Film storyboard committee, of course!)

Boyega had also previously said (pre-Rose rewrite) that he was up for the Poe story and not at all against a bromance adventure that might pit them as potential Brokeback Cowboys. He was excited to act and looking forward to the challenge. The ruckus started when that was scrapped and they gutted most of his screentime and importance in Episode 8, along with Poe. The both of them suffered the most from the changes made.

Each of them essentially had the prominence of their characters assassinated by KK.

I can't believe anyone gives a shit about this movie all these months later.

AngryGerbil said:

But him tossing the saber in this scene is him refusing to fight his father, for whom he can still sense the good. (But somehow couldn't with his nephew Kylo Ren later on in his life?)

In TLJ, it is him rejecting the entire concept of the Jedi in totality.

Not the same.

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What?
The tossing of the saber in the first scene is not refusing to fight his father - he just did and won - do you even Star Wars? It's refusing to take his fathers place, embracing the dark side, fulfilling a dark side destiny, becoming more man than machine - the emperor even says so - and Luke thinking, listening, adding it all up, looking at his machine hand and....rejecting this. Rejecting to become a Darth. Rejecting to kill his father. Rejecting to adhere to the Emperor and becoming his lackey instead of Darth Vader. NEVER! I'll never turn to the dark side. You've failed your highness. I'm a Jedi. Like My father before me. Thus rejecting the dark side of the force - naive, but strong in faith.
But sure. Other than it's the same character tossing the same (?) lightsaber with the same hand and again rejecting the force, all the bs that goes with it - training, failing, padawans, dark side following light side, being dragged in again regardless of seeking exile, force severance - reaching this conclusion, being wiser, crankier, and a poor script - and both films sucking from there on out - no connection

Izo said:

Yeah, I remember that scene too.

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Now this is interesting. Imagine if Luke throws the lightsaber away because he is done needing them to fight?

You think the throwing it away at the start is a just a marvel style joke, but later on he agrees to intervene and duel Kylo Ren/Snoke. Rey hands him the lightsaber again and he refuses it again, everyone has a WTF expression on their faces then Luke walks out and starts destroying ATATs with just the force.

He disarms Kylo Ren easily. Then Snoke comes down and they have a force only duel and take each other out. That leaves Rey to tie up loose ends with Kylo Ren in episode 9.

So Lukes send off is training for years on an island to surpass Yoda in the force and move past lightsabres like the emperor did.

Meanwhile the side quest is Finn freeing slaves as part of finding out Snoke's back story and seeing where the first order came from. Not harry potter casino planet. This builds up the threat that takes out Luke.

Izo said:

What?
The tossing of the saber in the first scene is not refusing to fight his father - he just did and won - do you even Star Wars? It's refusing to take his fathers place, embracing the dark side, fulfilling a dark side destiny, becoming more man than machine - the emperor even says so - and Luke thinking, listening, adding it all up, looking at his machine hand and....rejecting this. Rejecting to become a Darth. Rejecting to kill his father. Rejecting to adhere to the Emperor and becoming his lackey instead of Darth Vader. NEVER! I'll never turn to the dark side. You've failed your highness. I'm a Jedi. Like My father before me. Thus rejecting the dark side of the force - naive, but strong in faith.
But sure. Other than it's the same character tossing the same (?) lightsaber with the same hand and again rejecting the force, all the bs that goes with it - training, failing, padawans, dark side following light side, being dragged in again regardless of seeking exile, force severance - reaching this conclusion, being wiser, crankier, and a poor script - and both films sucking from there on out - no connection

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Okay fine. You successfully picked that nit.

But my point still stands. The two acts were in an entirely different context.

AngryGerbil said:

Okay fine. You successfully picked that nit.

But my point still stands. The two acts were in an entirely different context.

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What point - you missing the joke and nitpicking? Sure. It's alright, no hard feelings, bro. Leffe you any day, Princess

Chris said:

Now this is interesting. Imagine if Luke throws the lightsaber away because he is done needing them to fight?

You think the throwing it away at the start is a just a marvel style joke, but later on he agrees to intervene and duel Kylo Ren/Snoke. Rey hands him the lightsaber again and he refuses it again, everyone has a WTF expression on their faces then Luke walks out and starts destroying ATATs with just the force.

He disarms Kylo Ren easily. Then Snoke comes down and they have a force only duel and take each other out. That leaves Rey to tie up loose ends with Kylo Ren in episode 9.

So Lukes send off is training for years on an island to surpass Yoda in the force and move past lightsabres like the emperor did.

Meanwhile the side quest is Finn freeing slaves as part of finding out Snoke's back story and seeing where the first order came from. Not harry potter casino planet. This builds up the threat that takes out Luke.

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Except the emperor didn't move past lightsabers.