Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

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I am so disappointed right now. This movie was almost prequel bad. I just can't believe the choices they made and how disjointed the first 30-40 minutes were.

Off the top of my head here are my biggest issues or at least the ones that made me groan...
  • There is no gravity in space, how the fuck did those bombs fall on the Dreadnaught?
  • Leia flying through space
  • Luke milking that Sea Cow Thing
  • Luke Spear Fishing
  • Chewie was just a throw away character
  • Benicio's characters speech tick
  • Why was Phasma even in this movie?
  • Yoda Force Ghost lightning???
  • The whole Speed Theme with the ships running out of fuel.
  • Poe showing zero remorse for getting all the Bomber Pilots killed
  • Poe's whole character
  • The reveal about Rey's Parents felt like misdirect and we don't know the real answer yet, either way it was lame
  • Thew lack of Origin Story for Snoke
  • Snoke going out the way he did... more on this below
  • The fight against the Praetorian Guards, let's broth kill 3 of the 4 we are fighting and struggle with the last one... WTF?
  • When did Jedi' become David Copperfields?
  • The HAMFISTED jokes every 5 minutes, less is more. If they cut out 5 or 6 of the jokes it would have been better.
  • Kylo & Rey deciding they had to fight it out with each other rather than talk just a little
  • Rose falling in love with Fin in less than 12 hours.
Overall it feels like whoever wrote this story line just binge watched the first 7 movies for the first time and then sat down and wrote a script, mising all the buance of what makes Star Wars so cool.

Regarding Snoke, just like the last Dark Side Force Wielder that got cut in half I look forward his triumphant return in the next Disnet XD Star Wars Cartoon Series. I have no doubt that Snoke will WILL himself to live using the his hate only to team up with his long lost brother Supreme Cheeser Poke. We will actually get an Origin Story worthy of the character only to have him die in a similar fashion yet it will be more satisfying. I feel like my childhood truly died tonight...

Agree with every, the movie was shit.

I'm already being attacked by fucking nerds on Facebook for saying so and I love star wars.
 
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I was confused by all the oks/goods here at first. Elsewhere all I see is people saying it was shit except for young single crying girls on twitter who have spent 12 hours tweeting 50 shades of Kylo.
Still one of the top 10 Star Wars movies though.
 
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There were all these moments that were supposed to amazing but just came off as lame. Almost laughably bad at times.
 
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My review: See all complaints from others. (5/10)

Next title - Star Wars: Beating a dead horse

I am generally an open minded critic but WTF.
 
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Most of you were likely not alive when The Empire Strikes Back came out and it was a radical massive departure from the first movie to the extent that many people did not like it. It didn't adhere to what they thought Star Wars was and rubbed them the wrong way.

This movie is very much in family with ESB for this very reason. It is different, it's not the same kind of movie with a Saturday matinee Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon motif, there is action but the action serves the characters rather than the other way around.

Huge long winded spoiler

Can't Bight is an integral part of the story not because it is an adventure for Finn Rose and BB8, but because it shows us the state of the Galaxy as a whole. Rich people off partying, the lower classes being kept low, no one much cares for the fact that the New Republic government got blown to bits or that the First Order is taking over. Life, for them, goes on as it has before and so long as you don't piss off too many people with guns you can live perfectly content.

There's a lot that gets communicated here: the New Republic wasn't a grand new Utopia following the horrific years of the Empire's rule... It was just another government and one that didn't really do much for anyone save the people at the top.

On the flip side we have Luke who is tired of all the bullshit about the Sith and the Jedi and all of it and even goes so far as to call out the Jedi order for their implicit role in creating Sidious. He knows the Force is separate from the Jedi religion and wants to just let the Jedi part die off. His mistake is in assuming that the Jedi and the religion that spawned them are the same. As Yoda points out the original foundations of the Jedi we're not particularly great or particularly wise, they we're just old and adherence to that is what lost them everything. The power of the Jedi is not the Force but the Hope they bring. Nope he isn't going to stop the First Order with a laser sword and moving some rocks, but the legend of Luke Skywalker and the Jedi is what captures the hearts and minds of those who will resist as we see in the kids who are recounting the battle of Crait.

Rey's story is one of personal introspection. She is as caught up in the legends of the Jedi as anyone else and believes that Luke holds the answer to her problems. He doesn't. She believes that she feels good in Kylo and she's probably right there is some there, but she misinterprets her vision of the future. She thinks Kylo turns from the dark side and strikes Snoke down and then joins her. Kylo, on the other hand, sees a future where Rey turns and joins him in striking down Snoke. She does strike Snoke down but not because she has embraced the dark. That whole sequence of them fighting together against the Praetorian Guard is amazing because each thinks the other has come over to their side when in fact theirs was an alliance of convenience against a common foe. Rey's thoughts go straight to the dark hole on the island without any preconceived notion about the light and the dark. This scares Luke because he's well versed in the teachings of the Jedi which call for strict vigilance against the darkness and that cutting oneself off from emotion is what protects you from the darkness. Turns out that was bullshit as well. Rey enters the cave and finds darkness but also her question of her origins is revealed. That's it. Note that unlike Luke entering the tree on Dagobah she doesn't enter with fear of the darkness, rather curiosity and in so doing finds her answer: she's Rey. She isn't fancy Skywalker or whatever royalty. She doesn't come from some Force power lineage, she is just a junkrat from nowhere. She is who she is and nothing more. She knows right from wrong and learns that the Force isn't part of her, she's a part of it and being a Force user doesn't give you divine right, it just means you have a more specialized role to play in things.

Ultimately Luke brings hope back using his long distance illusion to great effect. He inspires people and serves as a symbol for standing up against the First Order, but it is just a trick. His illusion takes no real action other than simply being seen.. but it's enough to distract Kylo long enough for everyone to escape. At the end he has worn himself ragged, the trick he pulled took a lot more out of him that he ever showed with the illusion and he passes into the Force as we see twin suns setting. In so doing he has fufilled the prophecy, the son of suns has indeed brought balance to the Force...just not quite the way that the old Jedi Order intended. He has created a new Jedi in Rey, one who accepts the Force for what it is...free of the mantra and misconceptions.

The final shot of the kids playing shows us the ultimate power of Hope in helping to combat the forces of tyrrany. Some unknown kid hears the story of Luke Skywalker and goes out to stare up at the stars, but not before grabbing the broom with the Force, perhaps unaware that it happens.

I'm not saying the movie is perfect, but it is a damn good movie and moves the needle much further than I would have expected.
 
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I was confused by all the oks/goods here at first. Elsewhere all I see is people saying it was shit except for young single crying girls on twitter who have spent 12 hours tweeting 50 shades of Kylo.

Is it really so difficult to imagine people having different taste in movies from yourself and that such a difference doesn't make their tastes either objectively good or bad and vice versa, just different? We all go into these movies with a different set of check boxes that determines how well we will end up liking them on the other side. And for some that list evolves over time.

If the only people you've seen reacting positively to this one are young girls and critics you regard as little more than shills then just maybe you've only been paying attention to an extremely narrow subset of people who've seen it. The passionate responses both good and bad are plentiful on all fronts.
 
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To each their own but I really have a hard time understanding the level of hate on some of these reviews.

I will agree, as I stated earlier, the Casino portion of the story was awful and so was Phasma. To me, those were the biggest disappointments. The Mary Poppins was irritating as well. However, you are talking 30 minutes of the whole movie. To me, Phasma is probably unforgivable and I hope Rian Johnson owns the fact that they were just completely stupid in that character arc. The rest was covered up with a whole lot of good stuff.

I think the biggest problem is we expected a certain direction and storyline and we didn't get it. I said in my previous post, it really makes me wonder "what if" we got it. This is what essentially happened...

I wonder if Snoke is Emperor, Super Awesome old Sith 1 2 or 3? Nope, he's dead
I wonder if Rey is daughter of the force or Jedi 1 2 or 3? Nope, she's a nobody
I wonder if Luke will join the resistance and be a super BA and begin training Rey and/or other Jedis? Kinda but nope, he's a hologram and dead
I wonder if Leia will get a glorious send off? Nope she floats like Mary Poppins and episode 9 will have to deal with it
I wonder if Phasma is going to kick butt and take names? Nope she fell
I wonder if Finn is related to Lando? Nope, he's in love with the new girl
I wonder if Finn, Poe, and Chewie are going to be the next Lando, Han, and Chewie? Who knows? Chewie hangs with Porgs now
I wonder if Kylo and Rey are bro and sis? Nope, Kylo is Supreme Leader now and screams inside of AT-ATs and keeps losing to a junk dealers daughter. He did kill Snoke however who again is some arrogant nobody who died to the guy that can't beat the junk dealers daughter

I get it... everything TFA handed us and planted in our minds was pretty well abandoned. Again, outside of Phasma, i'm intrigued now. I don't think I would have been. I wanted Rey to be Qui-Gon's kin honestly and I wanted Snoke to be the ultimate, near undefeatable villain. The more I think of it though, it wouldn't have lasted. They have to breakdown StarWars some if they have 20 years of this in mind. I'm going to stick by that 9 has to be the pay off. If you're going to throw away the obvious, then the unexpected better be freaking good because if it sucks, I would have rather had the predictable fan service.
 
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One of the first thing I read when the press was allowed to post their first impressions was a guy saying he loved it, but that it would be very polarizing. I guess he was right.
 

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When people use the exact same points to explain why they loved / hated the movie then you know its gonna be a bumpy ride in terms of social media.
 

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One of the first thing I read when the press was allowed to post their first impressions was a guy saying he loved it, but that it would be very polarizing. I guess he was right.

I said the same thing last week in a TLJ thread on a different board when the subject of predictions (box office, critical response, etc) came up. If you follow enough fan discussions then you know that the array of expectations and fan requirements are scattered across such a wide field that a lot of people were bound to be disappointed. So many of them were mutually exclusive of one another it would be literally impossible to make them all happy.

Women ain't got nothin' on a Star Wars fan scorned.
 

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I'll give 'em credit for attempting some grit but yeah, the movie has got some contentious shit going on.

Nowhere near pisspoor Lucas bad, but not great either.

Didn't find the funny bits objectionable. Dig Rey but unfortunately didn't give a shit about other side characters. One friend of mine absolutely hates it, hardcore Star Wars fan. We were joking about his buttmad suicide watch. Rest of us thought it was fine so yes, the movie is polarizing. Would have liked Kylo to be even more petulant, autistic and unstable. Iron man Leia poppins was dumb but it was great seeing Carrie Fisher. Hamill's performance was good. A bunch of other shit.

Maybe it will improve upon a second viewing.
 

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This movie was trash, everyone has already stated the reasons. I just keep hoping that once episode 9 is done I'll wake up to see a lol I troll u post by someone at Disney, and that they will be making what should have been ep. 7 - 9 ,featuring Grand Admiral Thrawn and a nearly 1:1 translation of the books.
 
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I don't need a magic 8 ball to see the disappointment in your future.
 
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Heir to the Empire has an important role in the meta-fiction of Star Wars in that it launched the books which kept much of the saga alive during the 'dark times' after ROTJ. It is, however, not good. Thrawn is a great character, but otherwise the story is garbage and set the stage for a whole sequence of garbage that was the EU.
 
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I was swearing to myself...wont see it wont see it wont see it. A friend called and said they had an extra ticket and do I want to go. I said fuck yea and showed up.

5/10. You know you'll see it, and it isn't bad enough to completely disappoint like the prequels. I liked it more than the stupid diversity movie with vader in it, whatever the last one was called, but only a little more.
 

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Heir to the Empire has an important role in the meta-fiction of Star Wars in that it launched the books which kept much of the saga alive during the 'dark times' after ROTJ. It is, however, not good. Thrawn is a great character, but otherwise the story is garbage and set the stage for a whole sequence of garbage that was the EU.

Well stated. With respect to the role those books played at least. I wouldn't call them garbage but they certainly weren't written for my enjoyment because I couldn't even finish the widely beloved trilogy. They benefited greatly from having emerged during those lean years.