Superman: Legacy (2025)

Sylas

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Just finished watching. I think the plot is really good but the execution of it was terrible. With all DC movies it's like they just miss putting together a good movie.
that's an interesting take. would you care to elaborate? not trolling i'm genuinely interested in how you found the, by far, worst plot of any super hero movie "really good"
I know that sounds snarky, just ignore. but please elaborate why you found the plot really good
 
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that's an interesting take. would you care to elaborate? not trolling i'm genuinely interested in how you found the, by far, worst plot of any super hero movie "really good"
I know that sounds snarky, just ignore. but please elaborate why you found the plot really good
I guess it's just Lex pulling the strings so he can become king of a nation to develop tech and his own army. Using Supermans good will to get him arrested and turn the public against him. It's just that it's not well written to keep it good. The basic plot had potential but it was squandered by being all over the place when the movie was being put together.
 
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that's an interesting take. would you care to elaborate? not trolling i'm genuinely interested in how you found the, by far, worst plot of any super hero movie "really good"
I know that sounds snarky, just ignore. but please elaborate why you found the plot really good
From what I have read, it seems like folks aren't judging it on it merit but rather on it's intricacy or rather its complexity rather than its quality or applicability. Luther creates a pocket universe, which effectively makes travel to anywhere instantaneous through two gateways and also provides unlimited storage and space availability without any transport costs. What does he use it for? Colonize Mars? No, but instead to take over half a desert country with untapped OIL reserves (Fake Edit AND get to kill/embarrass #SuperShitMan) Also to house his social media empire of literal monkeys (CCP's bot farms would be jealous, if they could feel emotion). And house political prisoners with no bathrooms.

You could revolutionize travel and logistics on Earth, be the new ElonBezos, and then buy both of Bolugos and Jahalapur or whatever their names are, or instead something quaint like Brazil.
 
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I guess it's just Lex pulling the strings so he can become king of a nation to develop tech and his own army. Using Supermans good will to get him arrested and turn the public against him. It's just that it's not well written to keep it good. The basic plot had potential but it was squandered by being all over the place when the movie was being put together.
ah ok.

On a surface level that's fine, "lex luthor is smarter than superman and is one step ahead of him the entire time" it's kinda the essence of the conflict between the two I suppose, i've never been a huge superman fan but that's what I pick up from various media.

However I think you missed a few key points in the film that radically alter the plot:

Lex Luthor didn't do any of those things for any of those reasons, his sole motivation the entire film is to kill superman. Everything was just a means to achieve that, he explicitly states as such. Someone earlier mentioned Oil or land or whatever, none of that shit mattered to Lex. he did everything in this movie just to kill superman, he didn't give a shit about land or oil at all, they were just a means to an end.

if you actually think about it for more than 1 second you realize it was the dumbest most convoluted plan in history. not only was it completely unnecessary but it actually was counterproductive. Lex had everything he needed to kill superman within the first 30 seconds of the film, everything that happens in this movie happens because it had to happen for the story to play out, it was poorly written shit plot from a retarded pedophile.

plot points that occur off screen/prior to the start of the movie:
Lex develops a deep hatred for Superman and wants to kill him
Lex creates a pocket dimension as a prison
Lex funds a metahuman group to have supers on his side (the Engineer is one of these, the others aren't even really shown more than 1 split second)
Lex goes to various superman battles to collect superman's blood
Lex clones superman and makes Ultraman, but the clone is retarded
Lex studies Superman's "combat style" of stand still and punch ppl in the face so he can program his ultraman clone with voice prompted action maneuvers to defeat him
Lex kidnaps metamorpho's son, to use as leverage, he has metamorpho create some kryptonite to verify that its real enough and that it will weaken superman/ultraman.
Lex, as an american company in good standing with military contracts, gives weapons to Not_Israel, a staunch US ally
Lex makes a secret plot with Not_Israel to split their neighbor, Poor_Brown_Country in half once they invade using the weapons he gave them (at least, that's the excuse he give's Not_Israel so that they don't question his plan for them to invade and start a war)
Lex dresses up Ultraman as the Riga Hammer, Hero Metahuman of Not_Israel
Not_Israel invades Poor Brown Country, and superman being superman, intervenes to save poor brown people, upsetting US interests and maligning Superman against the US government
Riga Hammer/Ultraman beats the shit out of superman, and superman escapes to the fortress of Solitude.

And that's where the movie begins. All of these plot points are revealed throughout the film since this is a huge amount of back story to just drop in.

And you are lead to believe that this was the plan all along so Lex could break into the Fortress of Solitude and find information on Superman, his weaknesses or something to defeat him, use that information to compromise superman in some way, so that the government would sign off on allowing lex luthor to capture & imprison superman while waiting to try and execute him.

That ends up failing because lex is dumb and keeps metamorpho imprisoned 10 feet from his son, the only leverage he has, and allows superman to talk to metamorpho. Thus superman escapes so in order to draw superman in, he can either have his puppet Not_Israel invade Poor Browns, which 100% would of got superman's attention, but instead he decides to do that AND to allow a dimensional rift to tear apart metropolis and threaten to end all life on earth. To force superman to choose who he is going to save? Ok what if he had flown to Not_israel instead?

All so he can use ultraman to fight and kill superman.

Except he had all of that already at the beginning of the film. Ultraman was beating the shit out of superman. All he had to do was take some of the kryptonite he had metamorpho make and give it to the engineer, and have her murder superman once he crash landed outside the fortress of Solitude.

he didn't need to break in the fortress of solitude, he didn't need any of the information gained, he didn't need permission from the US govt (as far as anyone knew at this time, ultraman was the Riga Hammer, hero of Not_Israel defending his country from an illegal counter invasion from superman and completely untraceable to Lex)

The entire movie happens because Lex Luthor is dumb. Which is typically the opposite of how he is portrayed.

You think its a great plot that is poorly executed.

It's actually a terrible fucking plot that is immaculately executed, it's so frenetic and has so much shit going on that it confuses you, it convinces the average movie going audience that it's a poorly executed good plot when it's the opposite.
 
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It's a lex luthor plan ;)

Getting nostalgia vibes to BvS Honest Trailer!



1. Find out Superman and Batman's secret identities

2. Lure Lois Lane to Africa to interview a rebel general

3. Out CIA operative "Jimmy Olsen" to get the general to capture Lois Lane and ensure Superman's arrival

4. Murder the rebels and burn the bodies so Superman can be blamed

a. If any evidence gets left behind, I'm screwed

5. Bribe/coerce African villager to give false testimony to Congress so they will call Superman to testify

6. Gather information on metahumans

a. Make sure to give each one a superhero name and comic book-y logo design

7. Ask Congress for an import license to acquire a huge kryptonite rock so I can make a weapon in exchange for access to General Zod's body

a. Don't forget, creepily feed a Congressman a Jolly Rancher

b. Batman will steal this kryptonite later to kill Superman -- is this part of my plan?

8. Remove General Zod's fingerprints with a kryptonite scalpel

9. Hire inmates to kill criminals in jail with the Batman brand

a. This will totally piss Clark Kent off if he investigates this instead of covering the football game

10. Mail photos and newspaper clippings to Clark Kent with crazy writing

11. Intercept disability checks of former WayneCorp employee

12. Mail the checks back to Bruce Wayne with crazy writing

a. This will totally piss Bruce Wayne off, too

13. Invite Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent to the same charity event

14. Introduce them to each other, make it as awkward as possible

15. Give disgruntled WayneCorp employee a lead-lined wheelchair

16. Pee in a jar

17. Blow up the Capitol Building with Superman present

a. If Superman hears the bomb or somehow stops the explosion, I'm screwed...

18. Assume that this will push Batman over the edge

19. Use stolen Zod fingerprints to access crashed Kryptonian spaceship

20. Combine DNA with Zod's dead body to create a deformity

a. POSSIBLE NAME -- DOOMSDAY?

21. Kidnap Superman's mom

22. Reveal to Lois Lane that I'm an evil genius. Hopefully, she dies or something

23. Blackmail Superman into fighting Batman

a. This negates earlier work to turn Clark Kent against Batman -- don't worry about it

24. Hopefully, Batman kills Superman

25. If Batman doesn't kill Superman, hopefully Doomsday kills Superman

26. Sit back and run the company until Daddy comes back

a. If Superman survives, I'm screwed

b. If Lois Lane survives, I'm screwed

c. If Doomsday survives, I'm screwed, and so is the planet

d. If any one thing in this impossibly intricate plan over which I have almost no control over anyone's actions goes wrong, I'm screwed

e. DON'T FORGET THE JOLLY RANCHERS!!!
 

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I don't expect movies based on comics to have some super clever plot that makes me go "wow, such amazing writing!"

I do however expect to be entertained, and for said movie not to actually piss me off. First 30min or so we get a 10+ minute argument between Superman and his girlfriend. It was fucking stupid, and could have taken up a minute or 2 of screentime, I wouldn't have thought twice of it.

The dog was fucking stupid. I mean it wasn't an annoying kid, and dogs can't talk, at least.

The plot with the pocket universe was all kinds of dumb, so many things wrong with this. Fucking monkey internet trolls JFC, was this supposed to be funny or clever? You could get half of Reddit for nearly free, media/powers that be, already do it in reality with a handful of "influencers".

Bizzaro (he ain't Ultraman goddamn it) dude being operated by drones whole movie, yet dipshit doesn't figure it out till the end, so the dog can play fucking fetch with the drones.

Supergirl is actually a drunken hosebag, who has to go party in places with red suns (how the fuck she getting back to earth, the lanterns running an intergalactic Uber on the side? I can't imagine 25 LY walk of shame working after being depowered by said red suns) yes yes universe with portal tech, metabeings ect ect, still fucking stupid. Women must feel so empowered by that new twist on the character. The actress having the last name Allcock makes me giggle like I'm 13 again, I can't help it, was the only laugh I got the whole movie.

I've never had to turn off a Superman movie in my life, I had to turn this shit off 3 times.

I'm completely baffled this came from the same person that did GotG. I would have much preferred some more Cavill, even if the story was "meh"

Gene Hackman still has the record of being the only decent Lex on film IMO, even if it is the cheesy bumbling version of the character. I was never into the tween TV drama, apparently that Lex is popular.

This is why I don't go to the theatre anymore. Don't pay for this shit, high seas or wait for stream. I recommend watching a really shitty movie, say Morbius, before watching, it will trick your mind into thinking it's entertaining.
 

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james gunn just took the script of superman iv and added the justice league/stormwatch
 
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I don't expect movies based on comics to have some super clever plot that makes me go "wow, such amazing writing!"

I do however expect to be entertained, and for said movie not to actually piss me off. First 30min or so we get a 10+ minute argument between Superman and his girlfriend. It was fucking stupid, and could have taken up a minute or 2 of screentime, I wouldn't have thought twice of it.

The dog was fucking stupid. I mean it wasn't an annoying kid, and dogs can't talk, at least.

The plot with the pocket universe was all kinds of dumb, so many things wrong with this. Fucking monkey internet trolls JFC, was this supposed to be funny or clever? You could get half of Reddit for nearly free, media/powers that be, already do it in reality with a handful of "influencers".

Bizzaro (he ain't Ultraman goddamn it) dude being operated by drones whole movie, yet dipshit doesn't figure it out till the end, so the dog can play fucking fetch with the drones.

Supergirl is actually a drunken hosebag, who has to go party in places with red suns (how the fuck she getting back to earth, the lanterns running an intergalactic Uber on the side? I can't imagine 25 LY walk of shame working after being depowered by said red suns) yes yes universe with portal tech, metabeings ect ect, still fucking stupid. Women must feel so empowered by that new twist on the character. The actress having the last name Allcock makes me giggle like I'm 13 again, I can't help it, was the only laugh I got the whole movie.

I've never had to turn off a Superman movie in my life, I had to turn this shit off 3 times.

I'm completely baffled this came from the same person that did GotG. I would have much preferred some more Cavill, even if the story was "meh"

Gene Hackman still has the record of being the only decent Lex on film IMO, even if it is the cheesy bumbling version of the character. I was never into the tween TV drama, apparently that Lex is popular.

This is why I don't go to the theatre anymore. Don't pay for this shit, high seas or wait for stream. I recommend watching a really shitty movie, say Morbius, before watching, it will trick your mind into thinking it's entertaining.
This sums up a lot of what we didn’t like. Watched it yesterday and multiple times we were just questioning “is this supposed to be funny or clever?” It just sucked overall, kind of surprised by the reviews. My 10 year old even said part way through the movie “check the rotten tomatoes score”

We also didn’t realize it was James Gunn until the credits. We were doubly shocked because we just watched gotg1 last week and loved it.
 
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james gunn just took the script of superman iv and added the justice league/stormwatch
Movie might have been better if he had added Stormfront instead of Stormwatch.

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