Superman: Legacy (2025)
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She pokes the kaiju in the eye with her morning star and gets stuck in it's eye lid. That's about all I remember of her besides the annoying screeching so to say she was underdeveloped and underused is an understatement.
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Big Phoenix
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Superman finally genuinely opens up to Lois and she responds by happily acting like a total cunt. Why does he love her again?
Why does supermans human father look and act like a retard as well as being a morbidly obese fat ass who would die from 5 minutes of hard work even though hes supposed to be a farmer?
This movie would have been vastly improved if it replaced every dumb krypto scene with either green lantern or mr fantastic, they where the only good parts of this movie. Superman himself was alright but he spends the entire movie getting his ass beat and shit on.
Why does supermans human father look and act like a retard as well as being a morbidly obese fat ass who would die from 5 minutes of hard work even though hes supposed to be a farmer?
This movie would have been vastly improved if it replaced every dumb krypto scene with either green lantern or mr fantastic, they where the only good parts of this movie. Superman himself was alright but he spends the entire movie getting his ass beat and shit on.
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Aldarion
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absolutely mind bottling
and before somone gets upset about gramar nazi ing, this is exactly what happens when we don't grammar nazi. otherwise literate people start actually saying things like "tow the line"
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I agree that Krypto showing up, fixing the situation, then disappearing in the next shot is one of the weakest bits of this script, but you said it yourself - Guy and Terrific already have too many of the hero moments as is vs Superman in a movie with Superman in the title. Give Superman more hero shots!
It's ironic, nearly a decade after BvS, an arguable Superman movie hamstrung by it singlehandedly trying to launch a cinematic universe, by a director who would obviously prefer to be making a movie featuring another character (Batman)... we get another arguable Superman movie hamstrung by it singlehandedly trying to launch a cinematic universe, by a director who would obviously prefer to be making a movie featuring other characters (the Justice Gang).
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it's kinda hard to judge considering the entire script was weak but yeah, less of superman getting cucked in his own film probably would of been better.
Another bit I really don't understand is the starting in the middle of the 2nd film, what the fuck is wrong with an origin story?
There is this generation... and they think that superman is just the greatest thing ever and he needs no introduction or anything and everyone knows everything there is to know about superman. They are called Boomers and this is just one of the multitude of things they are dead wrong about.
Superman got an origin story in 1978, I guess? idk, I, like everyone under the age of 62 and not yet collecting social security, never watched the fucking christopher reeves superman movies. Don't give a shit. That was nearly 50 fucking years ago. They were well before our time. As a character, he was relevant enough to get an honorable mention in pop culture, but no where near something like say, Star Wars. This will also blow your mind, I didn't watch those films until the 90s when I was a teenager. They were before my fucking time as well. They happened to be far more cultural relevant than Superman though, so there was interest enough to actually sit down and watch them, like 15-20 years after they originally released in the theater.
Also his comic books haven't been popular in 50 fucking years either. He isn't some oversaturated known property that needs no fucking introduction. Only retarded fucking boomers think that superman is a popular superhero. You really think 1 origin story 50 years ago is enough to make his story embedded in the zeitgeist of every generation? He's not Spider-man or batman who each get a fucking movie trilogy every 5 years to constantly refresh every generation of children about who they are and why they are cool. Besides a handful of superfans nobody knows or gives a shit about Superman.
I knew, from pop culture references, mostly from Family Guy, that he was from krypton and sent to earth as a baby. I think his planet blew up? i don't know. Again, nobody else under fucking 60 knows either.
The first time we ever got this guys origin story or it was relevant at all in pop culture was Zack Snyder's Man of Steel in 2013. Zack Snyder's vision is literally our only insight into superman's mythos or origin or what the character is supposed to be. So to go from a serious, grounded world with Russel Crow and Kevin Costner as fatherly influences to some 5 second clip of the hangover guy and some unknown fatass retard hillbilly, with fucking superbots and kaiju and pocket dimensions and super dog and all the other non-sense is completely fucking jarring.
Superman is the character most in need of an origin story, especially if you plan to deviate in anyway from the only origin story we've ever known, Zack Snyder's grimdark version. Another truth you boomers might not want to hear is, Man of Steel was an amazing origin story, the first half of that movie was incredible, better than anything else DC has produced since, including this gunn shit. it wasn't until after zod shows up and they start fist fighting through buildings that the movie fell off, and that was just zack being zack.
90% of the movie going audience only knows what Zack Snyder told them about superman, and this ain't it. This is just dog shit. He should of taken the opportunity to establish the world he was starting in the DCU instead of jumping in the deep end.
Another bit I really don't understand is the starting in the middle of the 2nd film, what the fuck is wrong with an origin story?
There is this generation... and they think that superman is just the greatest thing ever and he needs no introduction or anything and everyone knows everything there is to know about superman. They are called Boomers and this is just one of the multitude of things they are dead wrong about.
Superman got an origin story in 1978, I guess? idk, I, like everyone under the age of 62 and not yet collecting social security, never watched the fucking christopher reeves superman movies. Don't give a shit. That was nearly 50 fucking years ago. They were well before our time. As a character, he was relevant enough to get an honorable mention in pop culture, but no where near something like say, Star Wars. This will also blow your mind, I didn't watch those films until the 90s when I was a teenager. They were before my fucking time as well. They happened to be far more cultural relevant than Superman though, so there was interest enough to actually sit down and watch them, like 15-20 years after they originally released in the theater.
Also his comic books haven't been popular in 50 fucking years either. He isn't some oversaturated known property that needs no fucking introduction. Only retarded fucking boomers think that superman is a popular superhero. You really think 1 origin story 50 years ago is enough to make his story embedded in the zeitgeist of every generation? He's not Spider-man or batman who each get a fucking movie trilogy every 5 years to constantly refresh every generation of children about who they are and why they are cool. Besides a handful of superfans nobody knows or gives a shit about Superman.
I knew, from pop culture references, mostly from Family Guy, that he was from krypton and sent to earth as a baby. I think his planet blew up? i don't know. Again, nobody else under fucking 60 knows either.
The first time we ever got this guys origin story or it was relevant at all in pop culture was Zack Snyder's Man of Steel in 2013. Zack Snyder's vision is literally our only insight into superman's mythos or origin or what the character is supposed to be. So to go from a serious, grounded world with Russel Crow and Kevin Costner as fatherly influences to some 5 second clip of the hangover guy and some unknown fatass retard hillbilly, with fucking superbots and kaiju and pocket dimensions and super dog and all the other non-sense is completely fucking jarring.
Superman is the character most in need of an origin story, especially if you plan to deviate in anyway from the only origin story we've ever known, Zack Snyder's grimdark version. Another truth you boomers might not want to hear is, Man of Steel was an amazing origin story, the first half of that movie was incredible, better than anything else DC has produced since, including this gunn shit. it wasn't until after zod shows up and they start fist fighting through buildings that the movie fell off, and that was just zack being zack.
90% of the movie going audience only knows what Zack Snyder told them about superman, and this ain't it. This is just dog shit. He should of taken the opportunity to establish the world he was starting in the DCU instead of jumping in the deep end.
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Also whoever thought this movie needed endless closeup in your face shots needs to never work in film again.
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So, it'll need to do approximately twice that (the budget) to break even? I think that's the typical metric.
Not looking good, I don't think.
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before counting marketing costs, yeah. marketing on this one seems excessive, probably another 150mil. not so much as the shitty fantastic four film, but its everywhere.
I think this did 122 domestic (the only BO that really matters) which is better than the 90mil doom and gloom but far, far worse than the 175 optimistic opening they just about needed.
I think this did 122 domestic (the only BO that really matters) which is better than the 90mil doom and gloom but far, far worse than the 175 optimistic opening they just about needed.
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Usually closer to 3x budget since international market is so big now, instead of just being a bonus.
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And I don't know how much streaming pulls in. Personally, I've never bought a streaming movie, but I represent probably a small fraction of viewers that get this stuff on the high seas.
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That is a crazy take. you are the outlier here.
superman the movie is 50 years ago sure...
lois and clark.
superman the animated series.
smallville.
superman returns.
man of steel.
superman and lois.
my adventures with superman.
acting like there has not been multiple tv and movies since then is nutz. as if there aren't games and comics the entire time.
Superman is SO fucking iconic. Brightburn, the boyz, iron giant, dragonball, invincible, etc exist.
theres an entire genre of, "what if evil superman" which is admittedly more common then actual superman these days sure.. but these all only function off, how well known superman himself is.
does a superman movie/reboot still need the origin? now, that is admittedly a different question. even if superman IS that well known, the reality is, "every comic is someones first comic" so yes, a reboot should even if very briefly establish the background.
All star Superman is of course famous for this. Since its not ABOUT his origin, its actually about his "death", it does not dwell on the origin. instead. 1 page. perfectly reduced to the essence.
Does THIS movie need to show the origin. yes. not just for the previous reasons.
THIS movie, skips the origin. "Since its so well known".. but then.. expressly retcons a major portion of it. its a plot point. Thats just... completely fucked from every story telling point of view. if you are going to expressly retcon it.. you need to rehash what you are going to retcon before doing it.
both, the Jor-el, and lara thing. and the "300 years of meta humans" thing.
thats something I've been trying to figure out. oddly specific number. 1725ish. that does not seem to line up with anything in particular.
not amazon island, not atlantis and aquaman, not etrigan, camelot, xanadu. hawks/thanagar would be back to egypt. not vandal savage.
at best Frankenstein. which was 1818. maybe lazarus pits and raas al ghul. (he's normally about 600)
This is a major event in human history that doesn't match canon. and would completely change how Supermans arrival would play out.
in normal continuity, yes magic, and metas, and aliens all exist, but have been largely kept secret or forgotten, allowing human history to go on mostly the same.
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superman still has a shot at doing better, man of steel dropped 65% in the 2nd weekend, as Monsters University and World War Z both opened, while superman has smurfs and I Know What You Did Last Summer.
while inflation adjustment increases man of steels total to over $900m, it also push the budget to over $300m. but napkin math says man of steel probably sold something like 15mil tickets to superman 10mil as avg ticket price went from around $8 in 2013 to $11 now. (according to chatgpt, not counting extra fees for screen size, seating upgrades etc)
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nothing. Streaming earns nothing. Much to the studios dismay, the only people who ever made money from streaming was netflix and that was 10+ years ago. Once they saw how much netflix was making, they upped the licensing cost of their content while building their own platforms then once they had them they all pulled their own shit back into their microcosm, scattering everything to the winds. Everyone has their own platform and nobody makes any fucking money from it. Worse, they turned the knife on DVD themselves all to drive customers to their online platform.
They traded DVD, home box office, rentals, all to see who hemorrhages less customers each month.
And that's where you're wrong their, kiddo.
If your mother was a hippy smoking reefer while getting gangbanged in the mud during woodstock (69) and you were born in 1970...that would of made you about 8 years old when Superman released in theaters. That is the youngest possible fan of a Cinematic Superman until 2013's Man of Steel. That would make you 57 years old. Most fans were actually older than 8, that's really the bare minimum age here. We're talking teenagers or older, able to ride their bikes to the theater or perhaps even drive their car? they're all collecting social security today.
multiple generations came after, born in the 80s, born in the 90s, in the 00s. They grew up watching Xmen cartoons on Fox, the only exposure they had to DC at all was Batman in 89? then all the batman sequels through the 90s? Batman the Animated Series was the only DC cartoon that had any sort of viewership, and that was 1940s film noir version of batman. It gave us Harley Quinn though. That's really all the proof you need. The most popular DC character of the 2010s+ was born from the Cartoon TV show my generation watched as children, now that we're grown up and have children of our own, that's the nostalgia factor. That gave us a shitty joker, 2 fucking suicide squads, and a birds of prey film...well atleast they cast margot robbie for it.
That nostalgia, that loyalty, never fucking existed for 30+ years of children who never had a superman. As far as DC was concerned it was all fucking batman. Even those 00s, they got to grow up with Nolan's batman films, it was all batman.
In 2006, there was a possibility to draw in some of these missing generations. It would of been a little late, the older ones would be in their mid 20s or so but there was still time to introduce them to superman. But instead we got a fanfic version that literally sold itself as a sequel and love letter to the original films and made no effort to introduce the character to a new audience, just lapped up the jizz from the aging older audience.
No, it was 2013 when they finally realized that children born after 1970 have no idea who the fuck superman is. And by then it was too late for us, entire generations were skipped and don't give a shit about superman. The younger kids, Gen Zs now, Man of Steel is the only superman they know. It's kinda like the Star Wars Prequels...kids of that age, that's their star wars...these sequel series coming out shitting all over what came before is goddamn blasphemy to them.
As far as the small screen? lol, that shit is just homage to the older shit. Lois and Clark? lol that was like a soap operas for the 70s dudes who grew up watching superman in the theatre, there was no appeal to any younger audience. CW? Yeah i don't know how many people you know who watch the EBT network but no one I know. i think the arrowverse or flash is the actual popular DC characters on that network anyway, right?
I don't know when DC animated started to really pop off, I think it's within the last 10-15 years, very much the same time as Man of Steel. and it's mostly been batman carrying that shit too. he is literally the only popular DC character.
Evil Superman is the only popular version of Superman in any media of the last 50 years outside of Snyderverse.
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massive for you fucks on oxygen tanks. nobody in my generation or later ever watched that shit. Go ask Dean Cain when the last time he ran into a fan who wasn't older than he was. He couldn't tell you. And all the kids now love snyderverse.
You're afraid to admit that WB fucked up and skipped several fucking generations of kids. Gen X/Millenials don't care about him, and Gen Z has their Superman his name is henry Cavill.
When this film fucking tanks and Gunn gets fired and they go to reboot the DCU for the 3rd time, I guaran-fucking-tee the next dude they tap to run it will do a goddamn Superman origin story. Also guarantee he doesn't spent the whole film getting shit on while his stupid fucking dog saves the day every single fight.
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I was born in '79, late Gen X. My sister is younger and her cohort loved both shows. You're welcome to have an axe to grind against them, but they were popular and culturally relevant for a generation's worth of kids and young adults.
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