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Khane
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The nazi angle is not SJW or confusing. You're just conflating that with idiots in the real world calling everyone they don't agree with a "literal nazi". They're the ones confused about nazis. This show is taking a perfectly reasonable approach in drawing nazi parallels. What is going on with the supes in The Boys is actually very close to what nazi scientists were attempting to do and would have done had they been able to create something like compound V.
And that, in my opinion, is kind of the point. It's a "Hey, dumbass... the guy who puts on a suit and tie and enjoys the fruits of his labor working his corporate gig at Pfizer isn't a fucking nazi. You just don't like him because he's affluent and you're lazy and stupid. THIS is what a nazi would look like."
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What if stormfront was the first and only natural supe, and they derived V from her blood?
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Particularly if they are super overpowered like in the Boys. They would be targeted and killed if they weren't invincible.
The part I don't understand is why homelander bothers to follow Vought at all. He doesn't seem to use or need any property, so I don't know what their money or their influence does for him. He doesn't need protection from anything.
He could make way way more money just helping with odd construction projects that would be impossible without his help. e.g. I'll launch satellites or space stations for 25% of your launch cost, hit me up.
It's only his pure narcissism that makes him want to be liked that keeps him in line, I think. He's terrified they won't like him. When he doesn't give a shit anymore....
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Yep. And the show is leading us to the point where Homelander doesn't give a shit anymore. Being led down that path systematically by Stormfront, the Nazi.
Homelander is the stereotypical insecure alpha with a Messiah complex. Which makes him easy to manipulate. But hes unstable enough that it's still interesting for us as the audience to see how it all shakes out.
His character is a compelling loose cannon. There is precedent, even only this far into the show, for a believable meltdown. That's why his mass execution fantasy scene worked in the last episode. It was believable even if it just turned out to be a daydream... for now. In contrast Daenarys going full psycho after she had won at the very end of GoT was not. Because it was sudden, lazy writing.
Homelander is the stereotypical insecure alpha with a Messiah complex. Which makes him easy to manipulate. But hes unstable enough that it's still interesting for us as the audience to see how it all shakes out.
His character is a compelling loose cannon. There is precedent, even only this far into the show, for a believable meltdown. That's why his mass execution fantasy scene worked in the last episode. It was believable even if it just turned out to be a daydream... for now. In contrast Daenarys going full psycho after she had won at the very end of GoT was not. Because it was sudden, lazy writing.
Jozu
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Yea for a second there during the lasering the crowd scene I started processing the ramifications of what he has just done, exactly like the expression on his face after he had done it. I thought it was real for a moment, but then shook my head when it went back to real life. (did you see how he ratcheted up the intensity on his beam? that shit was like 2 feet thick and at least 100 feet long at one point when he swept the crowd. It did fucking aoe damage)
I agree with the whole why is Homelander beholden to Vought thing, but its basically for the sake of the show, as not many people would be interested in watching the Super Hero Mega project dude build stuff. They have already tried to explore the whole Homelander going at it alone thing when he stood up to Edgar. He got back in line for whatever reason, but eventually I do think we see him realize his true potential and does whatever he wants, all he has to do is drop his emotional baggage.
I dont see how Noir could kill him honestly. Yea he is durable as fuck, but all Homelander has to do is hover and fire and its lolgg.
I agree with the whole why is Homelander beholden to Vought thing, but its basically for the sake of the show, as not many people would be interested in watching the Super Hero Mega project dude build stuff. They have already tried to explore the whole Homelander going at it alone thing when he stood up to Edgar. He got back in line for whatever reason, but eventually I do think we see him realize his true potential and does whatever he wants, all he has to do is drop his emotional baggage.
I dont see how Noir could kill him honestly. Yea he is durable as fuck, but all Homelander has to do is hover and fire and its lolgg.
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Homelander is emotionally a 14yr old, looking for approval from a mom/dad/anyone. test tube baby with no real parents. Vought is his parents.
obvs show Stormfront is radically different. comic version, was not even part of the 7. Died like a bitch, as noted above. was in a second team, Payback. he defected from nazi to join the US. Was the DNA source for homelander, etc.
what I think here...
We probably end up generally going towards the comic finale, still. Despite being so radically different. I think the end goal for Homelander is still on target.
This is still in line I think. However, I suspect Homelander is going to reject Stormfront. pretty sure this is going to be , fuck her right there... but then next time we see him, hes going to go back to Maeve or Vought, and be like, "holy shit this bitch is crazy. this shit is ruining ALL my plans." Hell, he might even go to Butcher with it. This will help bring Homelander back into human being territory.
alternative, 14yr old emotional adult being groomed into radicalization story? pretty woke.. but retarded..
obvs show Stormfront is radically different. comic version, was not even part of the 7. Died like a bitch, as noted above. was in a second team, Payback. he defected from nazi to join the US. Was the DNA source for homelander, etc.
what I think here...
We probably end up generally going towards the comic finale, still. Despite being so radically different. I think the end goal for Homelander is still on target.
Homelander gets fed up with the US government, and stages a Superhuman Coup, to install himself as president. The US military basically just blows 99% of the supes out of the sky with rockets. A select few require special attention. And of course Noir, Butcher and Homelander square off.
alternative, 14yr old emotional adult being groomed into radicalization story? pretty woke.. but retarded..
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Jozu
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Thats the point I was trying to make.
The main obvious problem is Stormfront is trying to have Homelander fulfil HER vision. Its not HIS vision, which is what is fundamentally wrong. He is going to do what he wants, no matter what. Either way it could have been worse. At least this last episode was better than the last couple. We finally got to see what was going in with the CIA ladys kids being killed etc. Plus Dickguy. Lamplighter was fun. Hopefully next couple episodes go out with a bang.
The main obvious problem is Stormfront is trying to have Homelander fulfil HER vision. Its not HIS vision, which is what is fundamentally wrong. He is going to do what he wants, no matter what. Either way it could have been worse. At least this last episode was better than the last couple. We finally got to see what was going in with the CIA ladys kids being killed etc. Plus Dickguy. Lamplighter was fun. Hopefully next couple episodes go out with a bang.
The Boys are going to take V, it was in trailers
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It would have been better if it went the "supremacy" route without the Nazi lineage trope. A Supe believing in racial superiority is believable enough, it didn't need the literal association with Nazism, and Homelander now in context looking like the literal Aryan poster boy for an all white Supes future. The former scenario would have been perfectly realistic alone, but imho by adding the Nazi/white layer they clearly are trying to inject some wokeness.
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Good episode. Best of the season. Lamplighter character was a solid intro. Good to see some backstory. There is a direct correlation between amount of Stormzy screen time and how good the episode is .Her character is enjoyable, unlike some others. I predict at some point we get a Homeland meltdown scene but this time it won't be a daydream. His clock is ticking and its only a matter of time.
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Lithose
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I agree with your sociopath stuff, I mean that's what the show is about. The telling thing is going to be if they have a reasonable explanation for Vought's black CEO to be down with it.
If he ends up explaining, as others have said, he was using Stormfront because her blood had the secrets for stable adult V and he didn't care about the white supremacy thing (Or only let her play at it because she was essential for their adult V formula)--that might work. It would be a pretty decent critique of how superficial corporations actually are, and how they can easily support even contradictory ideologies to make more money.
If they don't bother to explain it at all? I'm going to lean more toward the kool aid angle in that they picked white supremacy and not "supe supremacy" not because it made sense, but because they wanted to comment on the current culture.
I hope its the former though, this show has been pretty good about shitting on all ideologies equally--from the crazy social justice stuff to the crazy evangelical stuff, to now the white supremacist bullshit. Which I like, I hope they continue, its been a pretty scathing critique of corporate America's ability to exploit all these beliefs on the most superficial level because ideologues are usually idiots.
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This right here is what will probably cause the rift: Stormfront has her plan, but Homelander has his own wants. I could easily see him taking her plan, trimming out all the Nazi shit, and just focusing on a Supe led world. Homelander is pretty controlling...he lost his shit when she was gone for more than 20 minutes. Stormfront's only true way of getting what she wants is to make Homelander think it is what he wants. If she tries too hard to assert what she wants, it might backfire.
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Using the Nazi angle in a story isn't in itself bad. The problem is that EVERY fucking show (and game, etc. etc.) out right now does that. It's fucking old, tired, predictable and boring. Lazy writers following the herd.
But The Boys is still great. The predictable Nazi arc isn't going to ruin it.
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