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Got a question about the condition "When you roll a 20 on an attack roll made with this weapon" Does that mean a crit? Or is that a 20 after your modifiers. It seems weird to word it that way if it's a crit.

The item in question is the Mace of Smiting. It does extra damage when you roll a 20. At first I was wondering if that extra damage got doubled too because of the crit when I started wondering if maybe this damage couldn't happen on a crit (because the mace itself is +1 so even with no other bonuses, a crit would be a total of 21)

Mace of Smiting
Melee weapon (simple, mace), rare

You gain a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus increases to +3 when you use the mace to attack a construct.

When you roll a 20 on an attack roll made with this weapon, the target takes an extra 2d6 bludgeoning damage, or an extra 4d6 bludgeoning damage if it's a construct. If a construct has 25 hit points or fewer after taking this damage, it is destroyed.

Damage: 1d6+1
Damage Type: Bludgeoning
Weight: 4
 
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Hoss said:
Got a question about the condition "When you roll a 20 on an attack roll made with this weapon" Does that mean a crit? Or is that a 20 after your modifiers. It seems weird to word it that way if it's a crit.

The item in question is the Mace of Smiting. It does extra damage when you roll a 20. At first I was wondering if that extra damage got doubled too because of the crit when I started wondering if maybe this damage couldn't happen on a crit (because the mace itself is +1 so even with no other bonuses, a crit would be a total of 21)

Mace of Smiting
Melee weapon (simple, mace), rare

You gain a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus increases to +3 when you use the mace to attack a construct.

When you roll a 20 on an attack roll made with this weapon, the target takes an extra 2d6 bludgeoning damage, or an extra 4d6 bludgeoning damage if it's a construct. If a construct has 25 hit points or fewer after taking this damage, it is destroyed.

Damage: 1d6+1
Damage Type: Bludgeoning
Weight: 4
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Pretty sure it's a natural 20, not the added outcome.
 
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Hoss said:
In that case, does the 2d6 / 4d6 extra damage also get doubled by the crit?
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That I don't know. Like I said I could be mistaken but I thought conditional things that state you have to hit a certain natural number to trigger an effect stay static as far as their damage, but the weapon damage roll of 1d6 or whatever would be doubled.

So if you have an extended crit range due to skills or feats, like 18-20 roll, you double or triple your damage, but the magic effect from the mace still only triggers on the natural 20, and that damage is a completely separate thing that doesn't get scaled from the crit. Otherwise it'd be broken. Why wouldn't I just say 4d6 extra smite damage or whatever.

I don't know, talking it out ,I think I might be right. Sorry it's been awhile since I played a campaign.
 
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Rules-as-Written, you're doubling every damage die rolled for the attack if it's a critical, which would include the extra 2d6 (so 4d6, or 8d6 vs construct) bludgeoning damage. Looks like that wasn't the spirit of the weapon/RAI, since I guess it's been revised to use the average damage of those rolls instead of additional damage dice. This would be considered a modifier and would not be doubled by a critical hit:

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Mace of Smiting

You gain a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus increases to +3 when you use the mace to attack a c...
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Drinsic said:
Rules-as-Written, you're doubling every damage die rolled for the attack if it's a critical, which would include the extra 2d6 (so 4d6, or 8d6 vs construct) bludgeoning damage. Looks like that wasn't the spirit of the weapon/RAI, since I guess it's been revised to use the average damage of those rolls instead of additional damage dice. This would be considered a modifier and would not be doubled by a critical hit:

www.dndbeyond.com

Mace of Smiting

You gain a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus increases to +3 when you use the mace to attack a c...
www.dndbeyond.com www.dndbeyond.com
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That's weird, I actually remember seeing the 7 and 14 damage on the sheet the DM gave me, but when I searched online last night everything was saying damage dice. It's so rare I'm surprised they bothered to modify it. Doubling every damage die makes sense. I know you get to double sneak attack damage and I assume I would get to double my smite dice too. though that hasn't come up on my pally yet.

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So if you have an extended crit range due to skills or feats, like 18-20 roll
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I completely forgot about those crit range extenders. I still think the wording is weird and sounds like it's intended for after the bonuses. But based on what drisnic posted, I guess nat 20 is what's intended.

It would take care of the crit problem if you read it like I do. Say you had +8 to attack, it would take and actual 12 on the dice to trigger the damage. Someone once told me there was a different word that indicated whether they were talking about before of after modifiers. I coulda swore it was 'dice roll' that was unmodified and 'attack roll' was modified. But maybe roll was the key word. 'Attack roll' is unmodified and 'Attack' is with the bonuses?
 
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Hoss said:
That's weird, I actually remember seeing the 7 and 14 damage on the sheet the DM gave me, but when I searched online last night everything was saying damage dice. It's so rare I'm surprised they bothered to modify it. Doubling every damage die makes sense. I know you get to double sneak attack damage and I assume I would get to double my smite dice too. though that hasn't come up on my pally yet.


I completely forgot about those crit range extenders. I still think the wording is weird and sounds like it's intended for after the bonuses. But based on what drisnic posted, I guess nat 20 is what's intended.

It would take care of the crit problem if you read it like I do. Say you had +8 to attack, it would take and actual 12 on the dice to trigger the damage. Someone once told me there was a different word that indicated whether they were talking about before of after modifiers. I coulda swore it was 'dice roll' that was unmodified and 'attack roll' was modified. But maybe roll was the key word. 'Attack roll' is unmodified and 'Attack' is with the bonuses?
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I mean you could always house rules it if you wanted to, and that's sort of stuff is common. I understand what you're saying though and sometimes it is pretty goofy but that's why they've got the errata when those types of questions pop up. I just think it'd be too powerful, but if your DM is running a campaign where you're fighting some badass shit, maybe it'll be okay.

At the end of the day it's just about to having fun with your friends playing your Goofy character having a few beers, BBQ, and saving the kingdom killing dragons.
 
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Hoss said:
That's weird, I actually remember seeing the 7 and 14 damage on the sheet the DM gave me, but when I searched online last night everything was saying damage dice. It's so rare I'm surprised they bothered to modify it. Doubling every damage die makes sense. I know you get to double sneak attack damage and I assume I would get to double my smite dice too. though that hasn't come up on my pally yet.


I completely forgot about those crit range extenders. I still think the wording is weird and sounds like it's intended for after the bonuses. But based on what drisnic posted, I guess nat 20 is what's intended.

It would take care of the crit problem if you read it like I do. Say you had +8 to attack, it would take and actual 12 on the dice to trigger the damage. Someone once told me there was a different word that indicated whether they were talking about before of after modifiers. I coulda swore it was 'dice roll' that was unmodified and 'attack roll' was modified. But maybe roll was the key word. 'Attack roll' is unmodified and 'Attack' is with the bonuses?
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Maybe I just haven't looked at the source books in a while, but I can't recall there being many instances of "dice roll". It's almost always "attack roll", "spell attack roll", "skill check" etc. Items that call out 1 or 20 specifically are looking for natural 1s and 20s.
 
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Dr.Retarded said:
I mean you could always house rules it if you wanted to, and that's sort of stuff is common. I understand what you're saying though and sometimes it is pretty goofy but that's why they've got the errata when those types of questions pop up. I just think it'd be too powerful, but if your DM is running a campaign where you're fighting some badass shit, maybe it'll be okay.

At the end of the day it's just about to having fun with your friends playing your Goofy character having a few beers, BBQ, and saving the kingdom killing dragons.
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In this case the character is AL legal, so I'm sure I'll be stuck with the most boring interpretation of the rules.

But I'm writing 2d6 / 4d6 on my sheet because I like rolling dice.
 
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Gygax related Kickstarter with a few hours left.

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So this is like an ultimate worldbuilding grimoire? A sort of encyclopedia and a checklist that you can tick off to ensure you've got a complete and engrossing world?

I've been looking for something like this for my own fantasy novel. I've done alot of worldbuilding over the period of around a decade, when I first coined the protagonist and the antagonistic faction, and nothing else. But worldbuilding as a one man army is almost a full time job, and so much information to research and absorb, which I've been doing from just piecing together various sources, my own ever expanding library, and my own knowledge of philosophy, history, theology etc.

I've gotten good feedback on my ideas elsewhere, but there's still so much I haven't done (politics and government structure is the boring, not yet done part for me). It is my goal to have one of the most engrossing, immersive, mindfuck worlds ever. I really like how unique my magic system is (very far removed from typical D & D and general fantasy).

But, it looks like you can't actually buy any of these packages because they're already pre-ordered or something?
 
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We're going to fight our first dragon this weekend. It's a white dragon. I'm trying to think of something I can create with my song of creation that will give us an edge. The DM likes when we think outside the box so even if there's no item that will directly help, there still might be something that he will allow.

Not going to re-write the whole spell, but basically I can create any non magical item. I'm level 7 so it can be large or smaller, and the total value has to be less than 140 gold.

Are there any potions of charisma that will give me a bonus to cha? That would be nice in helping my spells land. Any cold resist potions?

How large is a "large" item? Maybe I can create a barrier that will protect us from some of his attacks.
 
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OK I got crazy ideas for the dragon fight. Poke holes in them or help me refine them as you see fit.

I can create a large object up to 10x10 feet between 500 lbs and 2 tons. I figure boulder is pretty cheap so maybe I can make a 2 ton boulder for less than 140 gold. I can also animate an object up to large size with animating performance. Then it becomes a dancing item. Dancing items can fly. So if I make a 2 ton dancing item and drop it on the dragon's head, wouldn't that do a lot of damage? I believe the ceilings are 50 ft. Would my dancing item take the falling damage too, or would it be immune since it landed on a dragon? Maybe there's a spell that can make it immune to falling damage. If it gets destroyed, how much damage would it have done? I could theoretically recast them both using level 2 and 3 spells slot and do it a few more times. Also, I assume the dragon would get a dex save to avoid some or all of the damage.

Another thought I had was to animate a dragon dick I happen to have found, grease it up, and send it up the dragon's ass to attack it from the inside. Yes, that's totally stolen from vox machina and I've been itching to try it since I saw that episode. My thought is that it should be like hitting an incapacitated opponent when attacking from inside. But we'll see what the DM thinks. My main concerns with this plan are, whether it can make it in there, and what kinda damage it would take in there. It doesn't need to breathe, so I honestly think it wouldn't take much damage at all. Maybe some acid damage from the stomach? Maybe cold damage from the dragon's innate magical coldness? But it wouldn't be able to directly attack with a bite, tail, or claw.

Oh and if the animated boulder idea is bad, I was thinking I could use performance of creation to make a 10x10 wall for people to hide behind and maybe avoid some dragon attacks. I'm not sure what it would take to stop a dragon's attack though. is a 10 ft stone cube enough?
 
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