The E-cig Thread

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mkopec

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Anyone here use E-cigarettes? Its been about 16 days of me using it and so far I have not had one real cig and I have not felt the urge to have one yet. Although I have not drank yet. BTW, I have quit smoking before, last time was for about 3 yrs. But around 2008 I started again until about 16 days ago.



Edit: SO I have been doing some reading and watching some videos on you tube. So here are some good links...

E-Juice

http://www.vaporbomb.com/
http://www.mstsbakery.com/
https://freedomsmokeusa.com/index.php
http://www.mister-e-liquid.com/
https://aliceinvapeland.com/

All stars
http://www.avejuice.com/BobasBounty
http://www.310vapers.com/radiator-pluid.html

Do it yourself Juice

http://www.wizardlabs.us/- This is a good place to get concentrated nicotine juice PG/VG bases and flavorings... THey also sell droppers/bottles/syringes..etc...
http://www.ecigexpress.com/diy-suppl...ine-bases.html
http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/...l-flavors.aspx
http://www.mtbakervapor.com/electron...arette-flavors
DIY E-Cig Supplies E-Cigarette Liquid | Make Your Own E-Liquid | RTS Vapes

Vaping Equipment US

http://www.cignot.com/
http://www.madvapes.com/
http://www.crystalclearvaping.com/
http://www.myvaporstore.com/default.asp

Vaping Equipment Chinese

http://www.heaven-gifts.com/
http://www.healthcabin.net/
http://www.chinabuye.com/gadgets/cigarette
http://www.fasttech.com/category/141...nic-cigarettes

OK, so what I have learned is that basically all the equipment is made in China, like 90% of all bateries/mods etc are made there so if you can handle the long shipping times, thats the place to buy the shit since its like 50% of the price the US resellers sell it for.

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Slaythe

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The sweet taste of e cigs really just doesn't do it for me like an actual cig. However, I can live off them when I'm not drinking. When I am, I haven't had the self control to say no yet.
 

Izo

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There are no studies on long term effects with e-cigs, nor the quit rate. Nicotine in the dosage used is still poisonous. Hospitals ban the usage of these where I live, safety principle. I dont understand why anyone thinks e-cigs are safe. Afaik the market for the juice is a free for all. Why gamble with your health? Seems like reasonable questions.
 

Olebass

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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/0...ntcmp=features
Right on Fox today.

Anyways I use Blu for my Ecig and love the Pina Colada flavor and smoke flavors.
I use Blu because of the lack of some word I cannot even type but basically it is antifreeze that most use.
My doctor told me even those are healthier than a cig do the such lose dosage it has compared to the thousands of chemicals in a normal cig.

My Results:
I started this with 3 friends about 3 months ago. Both of them quit cigs then the Ecigs less than a month later and both remain smoke free now for over a month now. They were smokers for almost 20 years.
I personally still smoke normal and when I am places or jobsites I use the Ecigs.
The first week I use Ecig only and I FELT a ton better, sense of smell was coming back but I noticed I was eating more and having more cravings to fearing I would gain weight went back to half and half. I probably was having a harder time them them due to the fact for the past 5 years I have been a 3 pack a day+ smoker.

If you don't like the "flavors" they have try the classic tobacco from Blu, full strength. It is very similar in taste and effect of a normal Marlboro.
My favorites are the Pina Colada like I said above and the medium strength Java Jolt.

I probably could have stayed on just Ecigs had it not been the hunger thing( not able to get enough nicotine to provide for what was 3+ packs a day ) and the fact if you puff on them to much in a short time it burns you a bit.

If you are looking to quit smoking all together Ecigs is probably the best way to do it. You still get nicotine, you still have something to puff on, and after a few weeks you can start to lower the amount of nicotine in the carts down to 0.

I like that it had a usb charger and the cig pack itself held carts and charged the battery as well. Between the 2 batteries it included and a charged pack for the first week when I was on ONLY blu, I could keep one going the 10 hours a day I was working until I got home to recharge the pack.

I tried 21st century( trash) and also the Njoy disposables( Great! cept it only lasts about the same as 15 cigs or so even though it says 2 packs per)
Have not tried any other brands.

Most stores now carry a few brands in disposables, so if you want to try it get one of those $7-10 ones first and if you like it get that brands starter pack.

I agree not many studies now long term are on it but it has GOT to be healthier.
If they are not your thing, switch to Winston ( no additives ) or best case American Spirit smokes due to the fact they don't add all the chemicals and flame retardants to it. 100% tobacco has to be better than the shit Marlboro and others add to it.
Final words I should take my own advice, but I am to stupid.

Any other questions about them , let me know.
 

mkopec

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There are no studies on long term effects with e-cigs, nor the quit rate. Nicotine in the dosage used is still poisonous. Hospitals ban the usage of these where I live, safety principle. I dont understand why anyone thinks e-cigs are safe. Afaik the market for the juice is a free for all. Why gamble with your health? Seems like reasonable questions.
Because from what I read its 1000x better than smoking a regular cig. Obviously if I were not a smoker I would not be doing this. And I already feel better. I nolonger wheeze, Im getting my smell back and overall just feel better.

BTW why was this thread moved? Im not reviewing products here?
 

Izo

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Anecdotal evidence coupled with slippery slope arguments like 'it has GOT to be healthier' is not really the best way to go about your health, truth or anything resembling a scientific approach. If it worked for you, cool. Do we know if you'll get cancer or other health related problems from the e-cig in 20 years? No. There already exist numerous tested and safer ways to cut down on nicotine usage, inhalers (passive), sprays, gum, not to mention going cold turkey. Why not use these if the point is quitting? I smoked cigarettes for a while, not trying to be a dick or self righteous. Took me a while with the passive inhaler, but I went from 20 to 0 cigarettes from day one. Don't need to replace an unhealthy habit with another. Just my 2 cents anyway - addiction is a bitch
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mkopec

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http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf

Ruyan? V8 nicotine e-cigarette users do not
inhale smoke or smoke toxicants. The modest
reductions recommended in 2008 by WHO's
Tobacco Regulation committee for 9 major
toxicants in cigarette smoke, in line with Articles 9
and 10 of the FCTC (WHO Framework
Convention Tobacco Control treaty), are already
far exceeded by the Ruyan? e-cigarette, as it is
free of all accompanying smoke toxicants.
Absolute safety does not exist for any drug, but
relative to lethal tobacco smoke emissions, Ruyan
e-cigarette emissions appear to be several
magnitudes safer. E-cigarettes are akin to a
medicinal nicotine inhalator in safety, dose, and
addiction potential.


More...

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ecigarette.htm
 

TrollfaceDeux

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can't believe that this shit is illegal in Canada but tobacco is. fucking health canada citing "unknown dangers." How about the god damn tobacco which has KNOWN dangers? I am gonna just go with gov't not wanting to lose tax revenue from tobacco, or cigarette oligarchs yapping about pushing it through. so much bullshit.
 

Tarrant

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That's one huge reason here in the states they get such a hard time from FDA and the government, Big Tobacco pays out so much money it's ridiculous. Last I knew the FDA wouldn't even sanction an official study on them, meanwhile rumors are Big Tobacco is working on their own brand of e-cig as smoking laws become more and more common.
 

riptorn

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Get a Provari and then a boge F16 tank for it. You won't regret it.

Also mtbakervapor.com for your juices. Try the ectocooler.
 

Drinsic

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Tried e-cigs, always just made me want a real cigarette. Smoked between 1.5 and 2 packs a day for several years in college until my sister bought me this book for graduation.http://www.amazon.com/Allen-Carrs-Ea...+by+allen+carr

Read it one Saturday, haven't smoked since and never will. Went to the bar that same night and I had zero desire to smoke. I've yet to have a friend read it and not quit. Sounds gay, the guy's a terrible writer, but it works.
 

Tarrant

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That's awesome Drinsic. How long have you been smoke free?

Both my parents smoke like chimneys and have for 40 years. I'd give anything to get them to quit. My dad has a super rare disease and now prostate cancer so he is of the "wtf ever" mentality and my mom has all the stress to go along with it. She at least entertained the thought of quitting but after my dad was diagnosed with cancer she said fuck it and says it helps her deal with all the stuff going on. -sigh-
 

Drinsic

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Only a bit over 1.5 years now. Been through plenty of shitty situations since (breakups, relatives dying, etc.) without the slightest itch. My asshole friends like to try and get me to smoke when I get shithoused, and it's my alleged adamant refusal despite being blackout hammered that got a few of them to read it.

My dad smoked for 20 years. He quit when he and a coworker agreed the first person to smoke another cigarette had to pay the other $500.
 

Kuriin

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I used to smoke 2-4 packs a day (smoke one, start another after) but quit cold turkey about 4 or so years later. Switched an addiction to chewing bubblicious gum, lol.

Brother uses the e-cigs and he hasn't smoked a real cigarette in a very long time. I say go for the e-cig over the normal cigarette.
 

Izo

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http://www.healthnz.co.nz/DublinEcigBenchtopHandout.pdf

Ruyan? V8 nicotine e-cigarette users do not
inhale smoke or smoke toxicants. The modest
reductions recommended in 2008 by WHO's
Tobacco Regulation committee for 9 major
toxicants in cigarette smoke, in line with Articles 9
and 10 of the FCTC (WHO Framework
Convention Tobacco Control treaty), are already
far exceeded by the Ruyan? e-cigarette, as it is
free of all accompanying smoke toxicants.
Absolute safety does not exist for any drug, but
relative to lethal tobacco smoke emissions, Ruyan
e-cigarette emissions appear to be several
magnitudes safer. E-cigarettes are akin to a
medicinal nicotine inhalator in safety, dose, and
addiction potential.


More...

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ecigarette.htm
In 2008, Dr. Murray Laugesen of Health New Zealand Ltd. published a report on the safety of Ruyan electronic cigarette cartridges.His study was funded by e-cigarette manufacturer Ruyan, but Laugesen claims that his research is independent.[43] The presence of trace amounts of TSNAs in the cartridge solution was documented in the analysis. The results also indicated that the level of nicotine in the electronic cigarette cartridges was not different from the concentration of nicotine found in nicotine patches.[43] John Britton, a lung specialist at the University of Nottingham, UK and chair of the Royal College of Physicians Tobacco Advisory Group, commented, "If the levels are as low as in nicotine replacement therapy, I don't think there will be much of a problem."[43] The study's detailed quantitative analysis concluded that carcinogens and toxicants are present only below harmful levels. It concluded: "Based on the manufacturer's information, the composition of the cartridge liquid is not hazardous to health, if used as intended."[44]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette
There are no long term studies, nor any RCT on the matter. It's very difficult to make an evidence based judgement without that, Cochrane is in the protocol state:
http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD0102...-and-reduction

TLDR; There is not sufficient data to conclude whether e-cigs are safe. Speculating whether they are safe is plain guess work at this point.
 

Ronaan

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I was going to switch to e-cigs around 18 months ago. Looked around a bit and just smoked tobacco because nobody knows what's in e-cigs really and what are the long term effects. With tobacco, at least I know cancer is probably it.

Then, 13 months ago, I just quit. Had a nasty sinusitis and just stopped smoking. Still have a carton of Luckies in my cupboard, smoked 2 cigs on new year's eve. Almost puked.

Man, the money I burned in those 19 years.
 

Izo

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I used to smoke 2-4 packs a day (smoke one, start another after) but quit cold turkey about 4 or so years later. Switched an addiction to chewing bubblicious gum, lol.

Brother uses the e-cigs and he hasn't smoked a real cigarette in a very long time. I say go for the e-cig over the normal cigarette.
What is your rationale for saying so? Quitting smoking is great from a health perspective, sure. Replacing it with an unregulated product, market wise and in most cases content wise, with which we know very little about from a health perspective is questionable judgement. If the idea is to quit, there are existing pharma, inhalers, gum, sprays - all well documented approaches. What makes anyone think the e-cigs are safe or a miracle cure - even one such as you, nurse? There is no miracle cure for addiction afaik.
 

TrollfaceDeux

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e-cigarette is not meant to cure you of addiction. it is to transfer you from the addiction of tobacco (Nicotine "addiction"). Smokers are already addicted to nicotine anyways, along with countless chemicals known to man.

What the fuck is worse than cancer?
 

Izo

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e-cigarette is not meant to cure you of addiction. it is to transfer you from the addiction of tobacco (Nicotine "addiction"). Smokers are already addicted to nicotine anyways, along with countless chemicals known to man.

What the fuck is worse than cancer?
Mmmm, mmmmm, mkay. Let's reitterate point by point.
E-cigarettes have multiple purposes. None are medically sanctioned in general.
Addiction takes many forms. Essentially smoking could be percieved as biochemistry, ligand and receptor - and habit, having something in your hands, the application of an object to your lips. The latter produces an afferent stimuli and in turn is coupled with neurotransmitters, reward so to speak. This is again biochemistry, hence me regarding addiction as a biochemical problem in general. The habitual learning is coupled to NMDA receptors on neurons.
While the proposal to exchange a known harmful habit with countless carcinogens, smoking industrially enhanced tobacco, with what could be perceived as a less harmful device, e-cigarettes, might sound appealing, the fact is there is no solid scientific basis for saying so. You are in essence exchanging many harmful substances with unknown substances. You are at the mercy of those who produce the vaporizers, specs do indeed matter, and far worse, those who produce the juice. Nicotine is not the substance one should be concerned with, solely that is. Its effect is well known. The various juice, not so much. Think of the juice as well tested as herbal remedies, and with the same lack of RCT and meta studies.

In essence you're making an equivocation fallacy, based on your common sense. You do not know for a fact if the juice and the heating is indeed harmful in the long run. It cost millions of dollars to obtain that data, and since the long term effects, 20 years+, are highly relevant based on what is known about smoking, I'd say you are a little bold in your statements :)

There are many different cancer types and different onsets. It's not a dichotomy, and prophylaxis matters greatly. In this regard it's clear that you think you're doing the right thing. I'm saying we already have substitutes for smoking, that does not cause cancer, with known efficacy - and they are available at any pharmacy - why on earth would one then experiment with unknown and scarcely documented factors?

I see the e-cig as a starting point for smoking, or recreational usage. Not a healthy substitute, nor a medical nicotine cessation aid.
Would you care to elaborate on your view? Who knows, we might learn something
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