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I think it was all too much, some of it that we let go we shouldn't have. We made mistakes, it's human.
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chaos
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Of course there's a difference. I said I don't see the difference if they just CGI'd every crotch shot in this movie. It's the exact same result. Whether the close up crotch shot of the twerking 11 year old is CGI or not isn't the fucking point.
TheBeagle
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I'm not worried about the result. I'm worried about the actual girls that filmed this.
Pre-pubescent girl performs simulated sexual acts in front of a camera for money. You think that might have an effect on her development into an adult?
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Denamian
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When that clip got posted to the gamergate thread and reported, I took one for the team and watched it to evaluate it. It was exactly as has been described and is fucking disgusting.
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chaos
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The exploitation is in the filming, and in how it is filmed. Girls all over the country, right now, are engaging in many of the same activities that are being called child sexualization here. There are entire industries built around it. There are reality shows built around it.
Do you think the director sat the girls down and was like "ok in this scene you shake your little pussy for money and we're gonna get a tight close up of that snatch"? because that strains credulity, even for a weirdo movie like this. The girls themselves likely had no idea what the end product would look like, they were dancing and acting.
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11 year old girls twerking is not acceptable in any setting. Full stop. You don't excuse bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior and saying "see, they do it too!".
You're a father and you can't see this? Gross dude. Would you let your 10/11 year old child go onto a movie set and do the things that these child actors did?
You're a father and you can't see this? Gross dude. Would you let your 10/11 year old child go onto a movie set and do the things that these child actors did?
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chaos
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Of couse I fucking see it, I said I did. You say 11 year olds twerking is unacceptable in any setting, I'm saying yeah, and this is happening in real life all over the place and worse. Millions upon millions being made off of Dance Moms and competitions and shit all over. And it isn't just dance, how many people have they busted for the fucking disgrace that is USA Gymnastics? How many girls emulate thots and shit on social media and end up getting groomed by Chris Delia?
The only gripe I had was that saying "you don't do X to show how X is fucked up" isn't true, historically that's exactly what people have done to highlight things that are fucked up. None of us actually watched this stupid movie, so we're all either talking about trailers or clips or third party reactions. Social criticism is a fine line to walk in a film. If you assume that the director is being truthful when she says she wanted to expose how society is contributing to the sexualization of young girls, you can't do that movie with 18 year olds because that's a different movie. Then it comes down to how it is done within the framework of the movie, which involves watching it, which is gross.
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Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Has Been Canceled by Netflix
The story of Thra on Netflix is over. io9 has exclusively confirmed the streaming service has chosen not to renew The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, meaning the series has come to an end after only one season.
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Animosity
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This doesnt shock me. The show was pretty boring.Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance Has Been Canceled by Netflix
The story of Thra on Netflix is over. io9 has exclusively confirmed the streaming service has chosen not to renew The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance, meaning the series has come to an end after only one season.
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OneofOne
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This. We wanted so much to like it, but I think we made it 3 eps(?) before we just forgot about it.
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if they used stunt preteens then thats still fucked up but it wouldnt be "i wanna cancel my Netflix sub and cut the cameraman's cock off" rage thats happening right now because they sexually exploited 600 11 yr olds to make this movie. i dont know why you dont get the outrage. i mean i think you do cuz you're a smart guy and you're playing devil's advocate here, maybe?
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Lanx
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maybe you need a different way of understanding this.
if ppl bought pedo porn, b/c their "urges" made em do it, 100% of ppl would be disgusted and hate them.
if the same ppl bought hentai pedo porn... well it's just fucking drawings, let those sick fucks jerk off to other men drawing sick shit
Kiroy
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What an insane take. Of course its a different story if real life children aren't abused (i wouldn't say its ok). Holy shit chaos
Kiroy
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A child is literally abused in one instance and you don't see the difference. /boggle
Feanor
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Heard about this recently. Initially looked like a documentary or some other uninteresting shit then watched a couple of minutes of a shitty youtube video from social meida. Turned it off.
I fully understand what chaos is saying about using what you're criticizing in art. There's a fine line between criticism and glorification. A movie about violence can claim to criticize crime while leaving some of the audience identifying with the criminals. Take The Sopranos for instance. The point is to criticize the mafia, humanize the people involved, and criticize many other things along the way. Certain people watch that kind of show and relate to the bad guys cos the bad guys are intentionally the main characters. Some people watch hip hop videos and want to be like the gangster on a yacht rapping about crime, glorifying crime. All of that is well and good and even questionable, but the point I'm making is that all of it involves grown adults.
Imagine remaking The Sopranos with a cast of 10-12 year olds. Each and every scene exactly the same. Now imagine remaking hip hop videos with 10-12 year olds.
Glorification, glamorization, exploitation and criticism is fine with adult actors in adult content but not with kids. There's your difference.
I fully understand what chaos is saying about using what you're criticizing in art. There's a fine line between criticism and glorification. A movie about violence can claim to criticize crime while leaving some of the audience identifying with the criminals. Take The Sopranos for instance. The point is to criticize the mafia, humanize the people involved, and criticize many other things along the way. Certain people watch that kind of show and relate to the bad guys cos the bad guys are intentionally the main characters. Some people watch hip hop videos and want to be like the gangster on a yacht rapping about crime, glorifying crime. All of that is well and good and even questionable, but the point I'm making is that all of it involves grown adults.
Imagine remaking The Sopranos with a cast of 10-12 year olds. Each and every scene exactly the same. Now imagine remaking hip hop videos with 10-12 year olds.
Glorification, glamorization, exploitation and criticism is fine with adult actors in adult content but not with kids. There's your difference.
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chaos
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Dude, you're all being dense as fuck. In real life, these teams and groups exist all over and the behavior you're reading about in relation to this movie is commonplace. No one fucked these kids, they filmed them pretending to be on a dance team. The same shit is happening all over the place, all the time, you just don't know about it because they don't film actors pretending to do it and then put it on Netflix. Or more accurately, they do, it just floats under the radar for most people. If the actions themselves are what is offensive, then there is a much larger societal problem to address, because the movie is just playing pretend using a real culture and real world situations. If it's not the actions themselves and just the fact that they were filmed, that's fucking retarded. It isn't as if the sexualization of young girls turned into a thriving industry and cultural movement is just ok and fine so long as it isn't filmed.
If any of you had actually been to just one of these dance things, I think you'd understand what I mean better. Somehow, as a society, we've decided that this is ok so long as it's a niche thing and doesn't intrude into mainstream, then it's not ok, then we are supposed to be outraged because that's what the infinite scroll tells us to do. Then we all forget about it a couple of months later and all the actual, real-life behavior that people pretended to be all old man yelling at cloud harumphf about just continues unabated. Actual, real kids getting actually abused and actually sexualized? no time for that. This was a problem before the movie comes out, the movie comes out, everyone talks about the movie, no one talks about the problem.
OU Ariakas
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The argument about it being a scathing rebuke of the sexualization of children is laughable in just the clips that Netflix released. The camera angles do their damndest to make it as sexual as possible in every clip. Maybe
chaos
is right and this crew were trying to make it seem bad; that just means they are terrible at filmmaking since they focused purely on the sexualization part and not at all on the consequences of the actions portrayed. I mean, how difficult is it to show a scene of a girl pre-teen girl awkwardly copying twerking she sees on TV? These filmmakers made it a 3+ minute long part of the movie that zooms in on her back, butt, and legs while she sweats and pants like a dog in heat. It is sickening.
chaos
is right and this crew were trying to make it seem bad; that just means they are terrible at filmmaking since they focused purely on the sexualization part and not at all on the consequences of the actions portrayed. I mean, how difficult is it to show a scene of a girl pre-teen girl awkwardly copying twerking she sees on TV? These filmmakers made it a 3+ minute long part of the movie that zooms in on her back, butt, and legs while she sweats and pants like a dog in heat. It is sickening.- 1
OU Ariakas
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No one is defending those dance groups and the people associated with them are all immoral scumbags. Trying to say that this movie is an expose meant to shine the spotlight on this industry is retarded since it is in no way meant to bring down anyone. If they wanted to do that they should have made a Netflix documentary about it since those get a TON of publicity.
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