The Odyssey (2026)

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There is a difference between a translation and an adaptation. In his adaptation Nolan is using the source material but culled things, added things and transformed things both to have the story connect with a modern audience and to emphasize the themes he wanted the movie to be about. The work of historians and translators informed the work of Nolan, but at the end of the day his job was to adapt the source material, to make it say what he wanted to say. People interested in what Homer had to say can read the Odyssey. The book did not suddenly disappear when Nolan's movie hit theaters. In fact it is pretty safe to say it created a renewed interest in the original text and its analyses / translations.
 
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Szlia said:
There is a difference between a translation and an adaptation. In his adaptation Nolan is using the source material but culled things, added things and transformed things both to have the story connect with a modern audience and to emphasize the themes he wanted the movie to be about. The work of historians and translators informed the work of Nolan, but at the end of the day his job was to adapt the source material, to make it say what he wanted to say. People interested in what Homer had to say can read the Odyssey. The book did not suddenly disappear when Nolan's movie hit theaters. In fact it is pretty safe to say it created a renewed interest in the original text and its analyses / translations.
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When the Flood narrative in Genesis was told it was to reinterpret a common story through a different lens. It wasn't reporting news. It assumed people were already familiar with the Flood.

This is no different.
 
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When the Flood narrative in Genesis was told it was to reinterpret a common story through a different lens. It wasn't reporting news. It assumed people were already familiar with the Flood.

This is no different.
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No…its telling the true story of the flood that others are adaptations of…

Is that what Catholics believe lol? It’s just one of many flood story adaptations… no wonder they all think that all religions are okay and true etc. (even after the number crunch change lol)


Even the orthodox…

The Orthodox Approach to the Flood
    • Historical Reality: The Church treats the account in Genesis as a true event that actually happened in human history, wiping out a corrupt civilization. [1]
    • New Testament Witness: Jesus Christ and the Apostles (such as St. Peter) spoke of Noah and the flood as real history, using it as a literal type and a warning for the final judgment. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • Typology and Allegory: While historical, the physical Ark is simultaneously understood as an allegory or "type" of the Church—the vessel that saves humanity from the chaos of a dying world. [1, 2]

Views on Ancient Parallels
    • Shared Cultural Memory: The existence of flood stories in other ancient Near Eastern cultures (like the Epic of Gilgamesh) is seen by Orthodox writers not as proof that the Bible just copied a myth, but as a distorted, polytheistic memory of an actual global catastrophe that affected early mankind. [1, 2, 3, 4]
    • Correction of Pagan Myths: The Biblical account is viewed as the divinely revealed, accurate version that strips away the erratic, capricious polytheism of pagan tales to reveal the one true God acting out of justice and mercy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • Non-Fundamentalist Literalism: Orthodoxy does not approach Genesis as a modern scientific or geological textbook, meaning the exact physical mechanics or localized-versus-global scientific debates are secondary to the spiritual and historical reality of God's judgment and salvation. [1]
 
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The end of the ice age alone caused tons of apocalyptic floods - tons of cultures around the world have flood myths. Are some just retellings of oral history of the ice age stuff? Maybe. But human civilizations also happened to mostly crop up near rivers, which flood. Doesn't take god going "lol i gonna drown teh earth!" to come up with a story of a fucking flood since humans through out history take the mundane or normal and craft big complex stories about those being less mundane.
 
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To be fair, we only heard about the lame half-baked floods. If a piece of writing survived in your wake, you're a mediocre flood to begin with.
 
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Cybsled said:
The end of the ice age alone caused tons of apocalyptic floods - tons of cultures around the world have flood myths. Are some just retellings of oral history of the ice age stuff? Maybe. But human civilizations also happened to mostly crop up near rivers, which flood. Doesn't take god going "lol i gonna drown teh earth!" to come up with a story of a fucking flood since humans through out history take the mundane or normal and craft big complex stories about those being less mundane.
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What if I told you the Ice Age never ended? Would that be something you're interested in?
 
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No…its telling the true story of the flood that others are adaptations of…

Is that what Catholics believe lol? It’s just one of many flood story adaptations… no wonder they all think that all religions are okay and true etc. (even after the number crunch change lol)


Even the orthodox…

The Orthodox Approach to the Flood
    • Historical Reality: The Church treats the account in Genesis as a true event that actually happened in human history, wiping out a corrupt civilization. [1]
    • New Testament Witness: Jesus Christ and the Apostles (such as St. Peter) spoke of Noah and the flood as real history, using it as a literal type and a warning for the final judgment. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • Typology and Allegory: While historical, the physical Ark is simultaneously understood as an allegory or "type" of the Church—the vessel that saves humanity from the chaos of a dying world. [1, 2]

Views on Ancient Parallels
    • Shared Cultural Memory: The existence of flood stories in other ancient Near Eastern cultures (like the Epic of Gilgamesh) is seen by Orthodox writers not as proof that the Bible just copied a myth, but as a distorted, polytheistic memory of an actual global catastrophe that affected early mankind. [1, 2, 3, 4]
    • Correction of Pagan Myths: The Biblical account is viewed as the divinely revealed, accurate version that strips away the erratic, capricious polytheism of pagan tales to reveal the one true God acting out of justice and mercy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • Non-Fundamentalist Literalism: Orthodoxy does not approach Genesis as a modern scientific or geological textbook, meaning the exact physical mechanics or localized-versus-global scientific debates are secondary to the spiritual and historical reality of God's judgment and salvation. [1]
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I didn't say it wasn't the true story, just a particular perspective different from other stories about the Great Flood.

You're asking me what all Catholics believe? lmao you know from that Baptist pollster Break shared that is impossible to say what all Catholics really believe.

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The end of the ice age alone caused tons of apocalyptic floods - tons of cultures around the world have flood myths. Are some just retellings of oral history of the ice age stuff? Maybe. But human civilizations also happened to mostly crop up near rivers, which flood. Doesn't take god going "lol i gonna drown teh earth!" to come up with a story of a fucking flood since humans through out history take the mundane or normal and craft big complex stories about those being less mundane.
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Shut the fuck up.
 
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Fun anecdotal fact: I was considering checking this film in Imax in a nearby city and the original version (as in: not dubbed) in Imax at 1pm on Tuesday had only seats left on the front row or the edges of the theater...
 
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so, how many who usually complain about woke in movies have gone to the cinema to watch this?
 
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Siliconemelons said:
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No…its telling the true story of the flood that others are adaptations of…

Is that what Catholics believe lol? It’s just one of many flood story adaptations… no wonder they all think that all religions are okay and true etc. (even after the number crunch change lol)


Even the orthodox…

The Orthodox Approach to the Flood
    • Historical Reality: The Church treats the account in Genesis as a true event that actually happened in human history, wiping out a corrupt civilization. [1]
    • New Testament Witness: Jesus Christ and the Apostles (such as St. Peter) spoke of Noah and the flood as real history, using it as a literal type and a warning for the final judgment. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • Typology and Allegory: While historical, the physical Ark is simultaneously understood as an allegory or "type" of the Church—the vessel that saves humanity from the chaos of a dying world. [1, 2]

Views on Ancient Parallels
    • Shared Cultural Memory: The existence of flood stories in other ancient Near Eastern cultures (like the Epic of Gilgamesh) is seen by Orthodox writers not as proof that the Bible just copied a myth, but as a distorted, polytheistic memory of an actual global catastrophe that affected early mankind. [1, 2, 3, 4]
    • Correction of Pagan Myths: The Biblical account is viewed as the divinely revealed, accurate version that strips away the erratic, capricious polytheism of pagan tales to reveal the one true God acting out of justice and mercy. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
    • Non-Fundamentalist Literalism: Orthodoxy does not approach Genesis as a modern scientific or geological textbook, meaning the exact physical mechanics or localized-versus-global scientific debates are secondary to the spiritual and historical reality of God's judgment and salvation. [1]
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From what I've seen, Catholics don't take the Bible literally in any sense. Everything is an allegory and the entire thing is fulfilled.
 
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During glacial maximum the English Channel was dry land. I'm pretty sure the survivors of that flooding had some stories to tell.
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Have only really watched the one lecture on the Pacific northwest (LINK), so not sure what the geological evidence says about the English Channel, outside of the evidence of human habitation below the modern waterline. Those camp sites or villages could have been 1000s of years after the major glacial flood period in that area and instead been enveloped by slow sea level rise though.

QuickEdit: From poking around a bit, it looks like the current evidence of the last outburst flood into the channel is estimated to around 200,000 years ago, which would have put it long before any evidence for humans in Europe. Some Neanderthals, on the other hand, may have been killed by it.
 
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Is that like when Roland Emerick made two super storms collide to freeze Jew York to death?
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Was going to say, dude, you have the names of movie writers memorized, but looked him up and he is the director too...

...but nah, I meant the "ice age" people reference when they say "the last ice age" never ended. Instead it's actually the last glacier maximum people are thinking about, but that's not the term that was popularized over the years. As long as the Earth has a permanent ice cap, it's in an ice age (or some such, it's probably more complicated). Which is interesting to think about humans as being solely of an ice age.
 
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Was going to say, dude, you have the names of movie writers memorized, but looked him up and he is the director too...

...but nah, I meant the "ice age" people reference when they say "the last ice age" never ended. Instead it's actually the last glacier maximum people are thinking about, but that's not the term that was popularized over the years. As long as the Earth has a permanent ice cap, it's in an ice age (or some such, it's probably more complicated). Which is interesting to think about humans as being solely of an ice age.
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It's because I watched that goofy Moonfall movie the other day. Instead of running away from the freezing, characters in the film were running away from gravity, and it was hilarious. He's like a big budget Dr.Boll.

I think I actually saw The Day After Tomorrow in the theaters back in college, back when going to the theater catching a matinee with your buddies was only a few bucks. When I think we were going to the movie theater at least once a week, and it's been since maybe 2020 since the last time I went.
 
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I can't wait. If there's one thing Nolan has proven to the world it's that DEI drives billion dollar movies. It's just what the people want.

I mean when I saw black Helen in the trailer hoooooobooooy my hard dick popped out of my pants, grabbed my wallet, and started buying up rows of IMAX
 
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