The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.
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Person of Whiteness
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Trakanon Raider
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Tanoomba
ジョーディーすれいやー
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Doc: "No argument here. But it was very problematic. He was just so mean!"
I would imagine you mean this interview:
http://walrusvideo.com/jon-stewart-vs-jim-cramer-march-12-2009/
Which I watched in its entirety. What exactly was "mean" about it? I don't think there was a single personal attack in the entire 22.5 minutes.
Interesting tidbits:
- Stewart to Cramer: "You know, look, we're both snake-oil salesmen to a certain extent. But we do label the show as snake oil here. Isn't there a problem selling snake oil as vitamin tonic?" (See what he's doing? He's drawing attention to the satirical, not-to-be-taken-too-seriously nature of his comedy program.)
- Cramer was given every opportunity to defend himself. At no point was he not allowed to explain himself. In fact, the most common reaction to Stewart's statements was an acknowledgement of their truthfulness.
- Stewart actually admits that the way Cramer was portrayed on his show was "not fair", but that he's not supposed to be fair (again, it's a comedy program). Cramer disagrees and says that within the context of the show it's entirely fair. Strange reaction to someone "attacking" you, isn't it?
- Cramer ended the interview with a smile and a handshake. At no point did he act like he believed he was being personally attacked. How could he?
- The harshest blows Stewart delivered were clips of Cramer's OWN WORDS, which Cramer was then given the opportunity to defend (he couldn't).
- At no point did Stewart twist Cramer's words or misrepresent his stance in any way. There was not a shred of dishonesty on Stewart's part.
- At no point was Cramer "close to tears". He was certainly flustered and often didn't know how to respond, but that was due more to finding himself having to defend the indefensible than it was to the nature of Stewart's questions.
Tell me again why Stewart and Thunderf00t are in the same category? Oh yeah, because they both refract light... slipped my mind.
I would imagine you mean this interview:
http://walrusvideo.com/jon-stewart-vs-jim-cramer-march-12-2009/
Which I watched in its entirety. What exactly was "mean" about it? I don't think there was a single personal attack in the entire 22.5 minutes.
Interesting tidbits:
- Stewart to Cramer: "You know, look, we're both snake-oil salesmen to a certain extent. But we do label the show as snake oil here. Isn't there a problem selling snake oil as vitamin tonic?" (See what he's doing? He's drawing attention to the satirical, not-to-be-taken-too-seriously nature of his comedy program.)
- Cramer was given every opportunity to defend himself. At no point was he not allowed to explain himself. In fact, the most common reaction to Stewart's statements was an acknowledgement of their truthfulness.
- Stewart actually admits that the way Cramer was portrayed on his show was "not fair", but that he's not supposed to be fair (again, it's a comedy program). Cramer disagrees and says that within the context of the show it's entirely fair. Strange reaction to someone "attacking" you, isn't it?
- Cramer ended the interview with a smile and a handshake. At no point did he act like he believed he was being personally attacked. How could he?
- The harshest blows Stewart delivered were clips of Cramer's OWN WORDS, which Cramer was then given the opportunity to defend (he couldn't).
- At no point did Stewart twist Cramer's words or misrepresent his stance in any way. There was not a shred of dishonesty on Stewart's part.
- At no point was Cramer "close to tears". He was certainly flustered and often didn't know how to respond, but that was due more to finding himself having to defend the indefensible than it was to the nature of Stewart's questions.
Tell me again why Stewart and Thunderf00t are in the same category? Oh yeah, because they both refract light... slipped my mind.
khalid
Unelected Mod
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Wow, what an absolutely original take from you. Absolutely no one would have guessed that your response to a Stewart video was that all of his criticism was "legitimate" based on you agreeing with it. Also, no one would have figured that you would take an interview to defend his criticism and then use the fact he gave someone a chance to respond as evidence that he was being reasonable, ignoring how Anita never does an interview with anyone she doesn't know is going to only throw her snowballs!
All snark aside, in Stewart's "commentary" parts of his show is where he goes off. In his actual interviews, he is much nicer, as you well know. However, dishonesty is your core quality at this point.
All snark aside, in Stewart's "commentary" parts of his show is where he goes off. In his actual interviews, he is much nicer, as you well know. However, dishonesty is your core quality at this point.
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Tanoomba do you imagine that if Anita agreed to an interview with thunderfoot that he would just spit on her and try to physically fight her?
Tanoomba
ジョーディーすれいやー
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This again? Really? You know that by disabling comments all she did was prevent trolls from plaguing her videos with their vitriol, right? You get that anybody anywhere is still free to say whatever they want about her work, right? You understand that criticism of Sarkeesian's work is positively thriving, both in volume and in attention received, right? This whole "Sarkeesian is preventing criticism of her work by disabling comments" narrative is flimsy as shit. FFS, even her detractors have acknowledged that that was the only reasonable thing to do. Anything but the point, I guess.
I don't imagine she would agree to such an interview since Thunderf00t has made it pretty clear his goal is to destroy her reputation and he has no qualms about being a dishonest and manipulative asshole to do so. She'd have to be a fool to allow him an opportunity to do that to her face. After all, she wouldn't be responding to a comedy bit, she'd be responding to a personal attack, and unless TF would be willing to admit he was wrong and apologize for lying about her, he'd have to double down on his dishonest tactics to try to save face (which is almost certainly what would happen).
Having said that, let's say there were an alternate dimension where Thunderf00t was capable of some level of integrity and honesty and Sarkeesian did agree to a good faith interview intended to provide her with an opportunity to defend herself. She would do way better than Cramer did because, unlike Cramer, she actually has a defensible stance. She could absolutely explain how she didn't misrepresent Hitman, how nothing that TF claimed she was lying about was a lie at all. Unlike Cramer, whose own recorded words left him speechless, Sarkeesian's own words would provide the context TF excluded in his attack pieces and prove his assertions wrong.
But again, when someone calls you "a liar without shame" while simultaneously misrepresenting your position to prove his point, you'd be forgiven for assuming this guy is not about to give you a fair shot at telling your side of the story.
hodj
Vox Populi Jihadi
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"Thunderf00t has made it pretty clear his goal is to destroy her reputation and he has no qualms about being a dishonest and manipulative asshole to do so"
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hodj
Vox Populi Jihadi
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"even her detractors have acknowledged that that was the only reasonable thing to do."
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hodj
Vox Populi Jihadi
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"when someone calls you "a liar without shame" while simultaneously misrepresenting your position to prove his point"
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Tan can you please link me to these egregious personal attacks and vicious lies from thunderfoot? I've only seen one or two of his videos.
hodj
Vox Populi Jihadi
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They don't exist. Every one of his videos is him rationally debunking Anita in the same way he rationally debunked Creationists like Kent Hovind. There's the occassional joke and mocking the ridiculousness of her positions, as he does Creationists. None of it rises to the level of egregious personal attacks, and none of it ever is a misrepresentation or lie.
He's never watched a single Thunderfoot video. Its clear by his continued waxing of this strawdog.
He is the dictionary definition of a pyromaniac in a field full of strawmen.
Tanoomba
ジョーディーすれいやー
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I think the "Anita Busted" video is a pretty clear example of how his dishonesty created a snowball effect of ignorance and led to a huge (unwarranted) backlash.
Here's a breakdown, copy-pasted from a past post:
- Thunderf00t said (explicitly) that Sarkeesian was describing Hitman. This is wrong.
- Thunderf00t said she accused the developers of encouraging players to kill and mutilate strippers. This is wrong.
- Thunderf00t said nobody who played Hitman killed the strippers. This is wrong.
- Thunderf00t excluded information that provides context, clarifying the point Sarkeesian made. This is wrong.
- Thunderf00t attacked Sarkeesian as a liar while doing exactly the same thing he accused her of doing. This is wrong.
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