The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

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Cad

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- We DON'T KNOW whether Sulkowicz was raped. That's a FACT. I'm not going to admit I'm wrong about that because I'm not.
- There is no hard evidence that proves Sulkowicz was raped. That's a FACT. I'm not going to admit I'm wrong about that because I'm not.
- There is no hard evidence that proves Solkowicz was lying. That's a FACT. I'm not going to admit I'm wrong about that because I'm not.
- I personally believe there's a decent chance she's telling the truth. That's a personal opinion and requires no proof beyond listing several reasons why I am inclined to have those beliefs, which I did. I'm not going to admit I'm wrong about that because I'm not.
So, I'm bored waiting for the wife so I'll throw in a couple of things.

In this story, there is no middle ground. There's no "we don't know". One of them is straight up 100% lying. She claims she was violently raped. He claims he did nothing. There's no soft middle in there. One of them is lying.

So which one? And by what standard do we decide which one is lying?

We know you're just hand-waving away all of the evidence saying it doesn't mean what we think, but all of us (no really... all of us) think the evidence of how she acted and how he acted after the time she claims the incident happened shows that there was no rape. If there was no rape, q.e.d. we know which one was lying.

In order to take your position you have to start with the assumption that she's not lying, that we should #believeallwomen, and then hand-wave away the evidence and make a bunch of allowances for "odd behavior" considering the circumstances.

Or, we could just look at the evidence, be reasonable considering what we all know about human behavior, and make our best judgment. Which is what we're doing.

She's a fucking liar. The end.
 

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-I personally believe there's a decent chance she's telling the truth.
You personally believed the moon landing was faked despite mountains of evidence. That should give you pause, but it won't. Know this though, you sound almost as stupid right now.
 

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Tanoomba's response "Everyone's wrong but me me me me me! You just don't get me!"

Remember, Tanoomba, its down the road, not across the street, and try sitting in a tub of warm water when it happens. It makes it go much more quickly.
 

Tanoomba

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So, I'm bored waiting for the wife so I'll throw in a couple of things.

In this story, there is no middle ground. There's no "we don't know". One of them is straight up 100% lying. She claims she was violently raped. He claims he did nothing. There's no soft middle in there. One of them is lying.

So which one? And by what standard do we decide which one is lying?

We know you're just hand-waving away all of the evidence saying it doesn't mean what we think, but all of us (no really... all of us) think the evidence of how she acted and how he acted after the time she claims the incident happened shows that there was no rape. If there was no rape, q.e.d. we know which one was lying.

In order to take your position you have to start with the assumption that she's not lying, that we should #believeallwomen, and then hand-wave away the evidence and make a bunch of allowances for "odd behavior" considering the circumstances.

Or, we could just look at the evidence, be reasonable considering what we all know about human behavior, and make our best judgment. Which is what we're doing.
Many mistakes in that post, friend.

Yes, one of them is lying. NO, we don't know which. What makes you think we need to come to a conclusion? "We don't know" is not a middle ground, it is a statement of fact. There simply isn't any conclusive evidence either way. It's foolish to try to draw conclusions for the sake of drawing conclusions, when we will never know what actually happened.

I didn't hand-wave anything. I understand why you believe what you believe. But you're dead wrong if you think your interpretation is the only (or even the most reasonable) way to interpret the available information.

You're also dead wrong about my stance relying on the assumption that she is telling the truth. That's not the case at all, any more than your conclusion relies on the assumption she's lying. I personally believe there's a decent chance she's telling the truth, and it has fuck all with assuming that's self-evident and fuck all to do with #believeallwomen. I looked at all the available evidence (including her words, the Facebook posts, both of their behavior, the art projects, etc) and it seems perfectly feasible that she's not lying. I'm not stating that as a fact, I'm simply explaining why my opinion is what it is.

"Look at the evidence, be reasonable considering what we all know about human behavior, and make our best judgment" is exactly what I've been doing the entire time. I already gave a list of reasons why I think her story is entirely feasible. Obviously, you and I differ on what we consider likely here, but there is no measuring whose personal opinion is more valid. This is why, ultimately, our personal opinions on the matter are worthless.




She's a fucking liar. The end.
That has not been proven. Sorry, dude.
 

Tanoomba

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You personally believed the moon landing was faked despite mountains of evidence. That should give you pause, but it won't. Know this though, you sound almost as stupid right now.
*sigh*

Yes, Lithose, when me and my drunk buddies watched moon landing conspiracy videos at their request, I was suckered. When I realized there was a ton more information that needed to be looked into before coming to a conclusion, I decided to stick with "I don't know" because I DON'T FUCKING GIVE A SHIT. Get over it.

For the Sulkowicz story, I went out of my way to get as much information as I could. I looked at everything, every single speck of evidence presented as proof that she was lying, and none of it was conclusive, and ALL of it had a reasonable alternative explanation. Are you denying this?
 

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Yes, one of them is lying. NO, we don't know which. What makes you think we need to come to a conclusion? "We don't know" is not a middle ground, it is a statement of fact. There simply isn't any conclusive evidence either way. It's foolish to try to draw conclusions for the sake of drawing conclusions, when we will never know what actually happened.
If that was truly the case then you wouldn't have said that you felt she was telling the truth about being raped.
 

Tanoomba

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Tanoomba's response "Everyone's wrong but me me me me me! You just don't get me!"

Remember, Tanoomba, its down the road, not across the street, and try sitting in a tub of warm water when it happens. It makes it go much more quickly.
This man is raising children. They would be so proud.
 

Tanoomba

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If that was truly the case then you wouldn't have said that you felt she was telling the truth about being raped.
How so? I'm not making a claim, like Cad just did. I'm saying we don't know, we will never know, and for what it's worth (which, again, isnothing), it seems more likely to me that she is telling the truth.

There is no contradiction there.
 

Tanoomba

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My kids would almost certainly tell you the same thing.

Because they would recognize how that act would benefit humanity by ensuring you don't reproduce.
You're disgusting. Somebody needs to call child protective services if you're teaching your kids to suggest suicide to people who make them look stupid.
 

hodj

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Anyway, no one suggested you commit suicide. That's inevitable, no suggestion needed. You will die by suicide. It is inevitable.

The only question is methodology. I was merely suggesting a method which would allow you to go quickly and as painlessly as possible when you do finally decide to end it all.

Which, again, is an inevitability with you.
 

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watched moon landing conspiracy videos at their request, I was suckered. When I realized there was a ton more information that needed to be looked into before coming to a conclusion, I decided to stick with "I don't know" because I DON'T FUCKING GIVE A SHIT. Get over it.
"A ton more information before coming to a conclusion"...

About the moon landing... Did this idiot ever read a fucking history book while in school? Yet he went to college and got a degree? Amazing.
 

Lithose

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*sigh*

Yes, Lithose, when me and my drunk buddies watched moon landing conspiracy videos at their request, I was suckered. When I realized there was a ton more information that needed to be looked into before coming to a conclusion, I decided to stick with "I don't know" because I DON'T FUCKING GIVE A SHIT. Get over it.

For the Sulkowicz story, I went out of my way to get as much information as I could. I looked at everything, every single speck of evidence presented as proof that she was lying, and none of it was conclusive, and ALL of it had a reasonable alternative explanation. Are you denying this?
This whole statement, like when it's all put together--explains so much. It is the epitome of Tanoomba syndrome. Perhaps the most epic feat of mankind? Don't give a shit. M'lady needs a defense? I shall research and when the evidence contravenes what I wish, I'll say it doesn't mean what every reasonable person, including the actual investigator, thought it meant!

God damn, this has to be peak Tanoomba.
 

hodj

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This whole statement, like when it's all put together--explains so much. It is the epitome of Tanoomba syndrome. Perhaps the most epic feat of mankind? Don't give a shit. M'lady needs a defense? I shall research and when the evidence contravenes what I wish, I'll say it doesn't mean what every reasonable person, including the actual investigator, thought it meant!

God damn, this has to be peak Tanoomba.
#wewerethere
 

Tanoomba

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This whole statement, like when it's all put together--explains so much. It is the epitome of Tanoomba syndrome. Perhaps the most epic feat of mankind? Don't give a shit. M'lady needs a defense? I shall research and when the evidence contravenes what I wish, I'll say it doesn't mean what every reasonable person, including the actual investigator, thought it meant!

God damn, this has to be peak Tanoomba.
Sorry, Mr. Thought Police. You don't get to decide what people should or shouldn't be interested in.

Oh, and Lithose confirmed sexist.
 

Tanoomba

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Here, Lith. Here's why I think Sulkowicz is likely telling the truth:

- No history of lying about rape.
- Perfectly reasonable explanation for the Facebook exchanges that took place after the alleged rape.
- Her behavior after the fact was not unusual or unheard of among rape victims.
- Nungesser's behavior after the fact also fit her description of what happened.
- No indication she was pressuring him into a relationship or otherwise felt shunned by him.
- No indication of any reason at all why she would lie about being raped.
- Her video project, if an accurate representation of what happened, illustrates a rape that's more "consensual sex escalates to weird levels quickly" than "creepy pervert selects victim to have non-consensual sex with".
- I've known art students. I was an art student. I understand how people can attempt to make a statement through their art about something incredibly personal to them.
Do you have a problem with any of that? Why not discuss it as an adult instead of throwing around insults like a fucking child?
 
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