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The Tomorrow War (2021)
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Raes
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Throat or abdomen. He says it, and they go over it several times. He kills the one Pratt is fighting with a point blank shot, to the throat. As far as I can remember, the only time that didn't matter was when Miri was using the 50 cal (?) on the hummer.
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"Why don't you just tell us where they came from and we stop it in the past before it happens?"
--"We aren't sure where they came from, we think it started in Russia, because they started killing people in Russia."
"Sooooo, maybe divert all your resources to taking a closer look at Russia? Maybe you'll find something? Like a spaceship completely visible at this point because ice melted? Satellites or planes or something?"
--"No, bad idea, just keep sending us your untrained population to be fodder until we figure out a poison to give to you."
"Oh ok, so your people back in our time will have a plan once we bring the poison back right."
--"Nope, they won't know the plan, or what the poison is for."
"Ok, your the colonel, top scientist, world leader, time traveler here, whatever you say"
--"We aren't sure where they came from, we think it started in Russia, because they started killing people in Russia."
"Sooooo, maybe divert all your resources to taking a closer look at Russia? Maybe you'll find something? Like a spaceship completely visible at this point because ice melted? Satellites or planes or something?"
--"No, bad idea, just keep sending us your untrained population to be fodder until we figure out a poison to give to you."
"Oh ok, so your people back in our time will have a plan once we bring the poison back right."
--"Nope, they won't know the plan, or what the poison is for."
"Ok, your the colonel, top scientist, world leader, time traveler here, whatever you say"
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Well, the other time it didn't matter was when Pratt was punching and kicking it kung-fu style at the end, but you know...
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Or during that when it bites off its own arm (cuz somehow it knows about the toxin and how it works, lol). Absolutely any part of the movie that you examine in any detail whatsoever makes zero sense. We've been over this - brain function not required, just enjoy the pew-pew.
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The toxin not actually being relevant in the end is really the movies biggest fatal flaw. all the other dumb stuff could be overlooked. But the fact, the ENTIRE Point of the future stuff was to buy time to find this toxin, daughters sacrifice, everyone elses, etc was to get this toxin and send it back in time. Then.. the toxin is totally un-needed.
Just what the fuck. I don't know how that was let through. hell, it could have been "buy time to find the spaceships location".
Just what the fuck. I don't know how that was let through. hell, it could have been "buy time to find the spaceships location".
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I think that the script got a major rewrite from the point where Pratt returns to fit in more action schlock and wrap the story up rather than do anything with the PTSD themes introduced and rather than do anything with the time travel alternate universe themes. I refuse to believe all that shit was in the first pass of two.
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‘The Tomorrow War’ Director Chris McKay on Changing the Last Third of the Movie - TheWrap
McKay says he reworked to last act to feature brighter light and more feelings of hopefulness
www.thewrap.com
Intent on telling a human story alongside a story of deadly aliens from the future, McKay says he changed the whole third act of the script to properly detangle Dan’s complicated relationship with his father and give each character a moment to pop back up and in a way, complete their own arc or story.
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“[The script] was introducing all these characters in the beginning and none of the stuff was paying off, so why not pay it off?” McKay told TheWrap. “That’s what [Dan] needs to do as a human being. He’s trying to isolate himself and do everything himself, but he’s certainly not dealing with his relationship to his father and that kind of thing. Putting teams of people into the film was important to me.”
The original third act of the script was a “bit more nihilistic,” and “bleak,” so McKay reworked it contain more light and feelings of hopefulness.
“Movies like this can only sustain a level of self seriousness for so long before they kind of implode on themselves, at least for me,” McKay said. “I wanted it to be a bit more complicated, so we could involve more stuff and characters in the resolution.”
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McKay’s influences are clear as he describes himself as a “big genre guy,” listing films like “E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial,” “The Terminator,” and “The Thing” – science fiction films full of momentum, suspense and shocking plot lines – as the kind of movies he grew up with, the kind of movies he wanted to make. But the director also expressed his fondness for films like “Sex, Lies, and Videotape” and “Gas Food Lodging” – films centered on moments and threaded with stories about people and their conflicts, no matter how major or minor.
“I like movies that have big, external, plot-driving things, and I also love movies that are more about characters and internal, B-story stuff,” McKay said. “I’m always looking for something that melds the two of those things… and I like the fact that this movie is a family drama and a character study about Chris [Pratt’s] character, Dan. He’s in every scene and you’re really watching the whole movie through his lens.”
“The Tomorrow War” is a mix of the two, as it focuses on what Pratt’s character is absorbing and experiencing, but while showing the main character dealing with his emotions and internal conflict, the film delves into the communal aspect of heroism as well.
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“I like movies where other people get involved and are integral to the plot because I believe it takes a village,” McKay said. “Even as a director, I would be nothing without the crew, I’d be nothing without the cast and with this movie, I want to inspire people to think collectively more than not. I think we survive when we all try and work together.”
“The Tomorrow War” is written by Zach Dean (“Deadfall”) and also stars Betty Gilpin, Sam Richardson, Edwin Hodge, Jasmine Mathews, Ryan Kiera Armstrong and Keith Powers. It arrives Friday on Amazon Prime Video.
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Oh.
That's actually a real shame.
edit - so how about for the third act it mirrors what we learned about J Jonah Jameson. Pratt gets home, he's got PTSD, it's bad, can't make it work, governments are collapsing and the world is falling apart. He's got a vial of green monster poison and that's it. No one else from his unit made it out alive. We see him basically turn in to his dad - ex military with some sketchy contacts doing sketchy work for sketchy people all while waiting for the white spikes to first show up. He learns to forgive his father (as he became him) and the story is semi-hopeful as an older Pratt with one vial of poison is camped out in Russia counting the days.
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$200M was the budget for this turd. I wonder how many seasons of Expanse-quality TV that could have funded. I even just seasons 7-9 of the Expanse itself.
Yes, I know the comparison I'm making is a bit too simplistic. I'm just continually dumfounded how there is too much stuff to watch and at the same time barely anything worth watching.
Yes, I know the comparison I'm making is a bit too simplistic. I'm just continually dumfounded how there is too much stuff to watch and at the same time barely anything worth watching.
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There is so many sci-fi books out there in the past 20-30 yrs. And yet they keep choosing these dumb scripts written by scrubs that make no fucking sense at all. All they have to do is go to the shelf and pick a hugo award winner or even the countless runner ups and write a script true to the book. I will never understand Hollywood.
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You did notice that the alien killing brother who kept going back was sporting a 12 gauge.
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Probably because drafting one person at a time would use way too much time-travel energy compared to just going back and drafting like 1000 people at a time. IDK
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I think there was a ton of dropped potential here or (more likely) hard science fiction dropped in favor of making a typical average action movie. They never came out and said it, but it was heavily implied that the actions in the current day had no lasting effect on the future (the stupid paradox side comment somewhat conflicts with this). To me that basically suggests that they were using the infinite quantum time line reality model and the wormhole was just a specific bridge between two threads. This would presume that the future timeline leaders knew they were fucked from the outset and were simply trying to make a timeline where the aliens did not obliterate earth, presumably to move their survivors to once the toxin had been made. Thus nothing done in the future or past had any impact on the other timeline and it was more about using the fucked up timeline as a research space for working out the Toxin. Seems obvious to me that was where they were headed, but all that shit got left on the re-write floor because somewhere they decided to make a Michael Bay style movie.
They had a good angle with the PTSD thing and the nihilism, but they chickened out. The fact that the director redid the entire third act confirms that for me. The third act was not terrible on its face, but it conflicted so starkly with the rest of the movie. I don't even especially care about the idiocy of sending untrained middle age people with shitty guns into the future. It is pretty clear they were being sent in to meat grinder it out for the toxin. But all of that could have been handled much better than it was.
B+ Acting, B- Idea, D- on execution. If I was the original writer and what I think happened did, I would be pissed at the director. They had a solid foundation for a good story and decent actors. The director just took the lazy way out.
They had a good angle with the PTSD thing and the nihilism, but they chickened out. The fact that the director redid the entire third act confirms that for me. The third act was not terrible on its face, but it conflicted so starkly with the rest of the movie. I don't even especially care about the idiocy of sending untrained middle age people with shitty guns into the future. It is pretty clear they were being sent in to meat grinder it out for the toxin. But all of that could have been handled much better than it was.
B+ Acting, B- Idea, D- on execution. If I was the original writer and what I think happened did, I would be pissed at the director. They had a solid foundation for a good story and decent actors. The director just took the lazy way out.
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They also made the statement that the two end points of the time wormhole were both moving forward in their respective timelines at a constant rate, so selective travel was not an option. It still does not explain why they don't send back all they know about the time tech and give an earth not fucked by the aliens a chance to build another bridge, but this presumes that they are running with the two divergent timelines being independent thing. Time travel in general is a pain in the ass to write around and they fucked up their model with the entire stupid "cannot be alive in the other timeline or else paradox" thing.
Which honestly wouldn’t be nearly as much of a problem for the people jumping forward as they made it out to be. If only some 50.000 out of perhaps 8 billion, end of 2022, are alive, chances to actually send somebody meeting him or herself are slim.
That entire you-die-in-7-years plot point felt tacked on for the sake of the father-daughter-family feels, with little relevance to the time-travel-world-building.
not to mention if they actually did send back in time all the admin-data on deaths and lives of even only all of America’s population, they damn well also could’ve packed a few hard drives worth of science on time travel and/or anti-alien poison as well.
Also, why would it be Problem to end up with yourself in a timeline, but not a problem if you, say, time-jump somebody forward into death-by-aliens, who would’ve maybe become the parent of one of the young recruiters sent back later on?
That entire you-die-in-7-years plot point felt tacked on for the sake of the father-daughter-family feels, with little relevance to the time-travel-world-building.
not to mention if they actually did send back in time all the admin-data on deaths and lives of even only all of America’s population, they damn well also could’ve packed a few hard drives worth of science on time travel and/or anti-alien poison as well.
Also, why would it be Problem to end up with yourself in a timeline, but not a problem if you, say, time-jump somebody forward into death-by-aliens, who would’ve maybe become the parent of one of the young recruiters sent back later on?
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Yeah thats why I think the intended version of time travel they were using was the alternate quantum reality version where changes have zero impact (basically the same one from Avengers) because the very act of even showing up in the past would have made massive changes to the future if it was all once concise timeline. The whole paradox bit was just the writers either being stupid or assuming the audience is stupid, both equally bad scenarios.
As someone else stated, they probably could have more easily gotten people to turn off their brain if the third act of the movie was not so drastically different in tone and pacing from the first two acts.
As someone else stated, they probably could have more easily gotten people to turn off their brain if the third act of the movie was not so drastically different in tone and pacing from the first two acts.