Transgender Facts vs. Fictions

Vanessa said:

Rather, let me take the Steven Crowder approach and let's agree to definitions first, instead of saying distinction.

What is the DEFINITION we can agree on of what Sex is and what Gender is?

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How about rather than attempting to agree on middle ground definitions of existing contested terms, we just use unambiguous language:

biological sex
gender expression

I find the Gender versus Sex argument to be a distinction without a difference.

I don't think it's necessary. XY = Male, XX = Female, sexual preferences beyond heterosexual and homosexual are irregular, individual, and not analytically important in a group context. This is a very simple 4 box square that we're drawing and there are only 2 types of combinations, 3 specific combinations. The base pair is why you have a pair and only need a pair of descriptors.

If you want to get more abstract than that, it's fine. It really is. It's not scientific though. At that point you're having a cultural discussion. Nothing wrong with that, but trying to misrepresent what is being discussed as something else is the foundation of a lie. If a person is seeking truth it does not seem to me like a lie is the best way to find it.

The Gender versus Sex argument is only relevant to the individual, and even then I don't think it's necessary. The individual does not require a classification of their sexuality being as that it is the only one that they have.

There are as many variants of Heterosexuality as there are variants of homosexuality. Classification will show one primary fact -- individuals vary. The trouble is that in doing so it will constrict and confuse. Which is not the goal, or at least should not be. The goal should be to explain and understand.

I used to put a bit more stock in Gender v Sex. I did. My opinion has changed in the past ten or fifteen years. I thought that it could go somewhere that it really hasn't gone.

(I didn't read this thread.)

Transgender activism is a big pharma and biomedical research lobby. An indoctrinated, castrated, indebted and industry dependent inquisition for wealthy trans-humanists(not gender or sex; life extension). Sword and shield against moral, academic or legal criticism. Flunkies and victims that literally kill themselves after you've used them up, a perfect mafia. Hillary emoji + wet emoji

Don't be a bigot. Use tax dollars and government authority to send them more children.

Who the hell is talking about banning you?

Calm your tits. Foler lost, and he should have lost. He picked a stupid fight because he was bored.

Nobody's getting banned. Not you and not foler. Unless foler decides to double down on stupid, then someone probably will ban him for being too much of a jackass.

i mean... if you don't want vanessa to talk about being a woman... stop reading/posting in vanessa's threads? it's sort of like all those people who watch fox or cnn or whatever just to say how terrible it is. i mean, if that's your kink, then more power to you but don't complain about the fire while you throw gasoline on it.

anyway... my entire problem with the TG and to a lesser degree the lgbtq community as a whole is two-fold. one, language. people say things like "the gender you were assigned at birth." no one ASSIGNED your birth. don't put that in the same category as going to a guidance counselor and having them saying "you should be a programmer/actor/teacher/whatever." the doctor that "assigned" your gender didn't do some complex algorithm or scantron test and come up with you being male. they looked at whether or not you had a dick and whether or not you had XY chromosomes.

secondly, no one... NO ONE feels comfortable in their own skin. that's part of being human. no one is BORN racist... they learn that from the people around them. just like no one is born thinking "i'm the wrong gender" unless people put that in their minds. people are uncomfortable with who they are as a biological imperative to seek improvement. so you say, "i AM seeking improvement by becoming the gender i'm supposed to be!" well, who told you that would make anything better? because it doesn't. arguably it makes things worse because you have to deal with now being labeled as "Transgender" as opposed to "Steve."

if you are religious, it breaks down because God (or whatever greater power you believe in) created you as you are on purpose. so you aren't born wrong. if you aren't religious, it falls apart because when nature creates an "accident" like an albino tiger or something, they RARELY live to adulthood because nature fixes it's mistakes by killing them. they've lost their ability to survive and must be removed from the genepool. someone becoming transgender is so abhorrent because without society shouldering the burden, they can't survive either. and this is where people get pissed. society at large has to make arduous changes just to allow an EXTREME minority to make anti-social changes.

so, now that that's all been said... don't think me dis-compassionate. i don't like transgender-ism because it doesn't fix the problem. facts clearly state that the suicide rate hasn't gone down AT ALL, so changing genders doesn't make any difference. America has a mental health issue in that we are johnny-on-the-spot with saying someone has a mental health diagnosis but then pretty much drops the ball with doing anything tangible about it. this is coming from a mental health professional. the system is not set up to fix people. it's set up to medicate them. so, here have a reassignment surgery and also here's some hormones that you need to take regularly for years. also, you'll need to take hormone blockers for a while. and there's some side effects so you should probably take some etc, etc, etc

wormie said:

And to stay on topic, transgenderism is a mental disease that has been elevated to be something socially celebrated. And since most of the trannys are dudes, this is just more proof that men can and will outcompete women in every way possible if given the chance.

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While funny, it's the opposite in academics where I live. Females now dominate university uptakes both total and in the studies where outstanding grades are the key to admission, and have for several years. School up to univesity masters are free. One can only wonder why men don't excel any longer, leveled playing field, economically anyway.

wormie said:

This has been shown time and time again to be incorrect. We are not born a blank slate.

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has it? i mean legitimately? source? i'd love to actually read how they proved that. not arguing, i'm actually really curious