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Julian The Apostate

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The Radin meta-study is pretty roundly criticized in that first link you posted though.



To me this seems much more like the EmDrive type thing where the effects are so small they're tough to measure and end up being experimental error. This sounds like why Jahn was not able to replicate his results.

Let me ask you this, studies aside, because we can debate studies all day. So what if human consciousness can affect a random number generator? Lets say this is due to some unknown quantum effect. What do we do with that? Whats the point? If we can figure out what is causing the effect (presuming it exists) we may be onto some new quantum effects that may change physics, but in your consciousness/meditation space, what do you plan to do with that information?

It affects my worldview. The prevailing theory on how consciousness arises from theoretical physicists that study consciousness like Roger Penrose, is that there is a quantum field of consciousness that permeates all spacetime. we have a pineal gland in our brain that has microtubuals that interact with this field of consciousness and our brains are just a filter for this field of consciousness which means that consciousness is not a product of the brain. The differences in us and all other living being is a result of physiological differences in the brain and pineal glad and how they filter the field of consciousness.

I think this quantum field of consciousness is God experiencing every possible experience. I think we are fractals of Gods infinite consciousness experiencing reality subjectively. That’s where a lot of my ideas stem from like the idea that we are all One. But what do I plan to do with it? Try to treat everyone and everything better, choose unity instead of division, love instead of hate, good instead of evil, light instead of darkness, peace instead of war.
 
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I don’t have to change anything. I can tell the difference between someone who wants real discussion and the difference between some Jew lawyer with an axe to grind because I called him an idiot in the Epstein thread last week. On to ignore you go too. You haven’t added to the discussion but have only white- knighted shit posters. Fuck off.

The TL: DR for the random number generator is that if you put a grouo of people in a room and have them all think of the number “1” it will skew a random number generator towards “1”. It’s been proven this works time and time again. Our minds affect physical reality. But again, cad was demanding proof and we both know that’s impossible, a scientific Shit lord should know that.
No, you don't have to change anything. But if you are so touchy that you go into histrionics at the mildest critique you are doing a disservice to any position you might be trying to advance. Cad is a hoopy frood that has been part of our community for a long ass time. Sometimes we agree on topics. Sometimes we don't. I like you both, and am trying to ask that you not go full Lumi on us. You don't deserve that type of ridicule, but your recent actions are going to generate that if they start becoming a pattern.

And the burden of proof is on the person making the positive assertion. Always. You say we can affect an RNG, then that is easy to prove or disprove. That's also the kind of thing that would make serious waves if it had been proven, including many many many people wanting to verify the results via independent reproduction.

FWIW a lot of your ideas are similar to my my own personal beliefs. That said, the gulf between what can be proven and what cannot is wide. Some things can't be proven, and that's that. All religions fall under this, and a fairly large chunk of metaphysics and 'supernatural' phenomena do as well. If you choose to believe in them anyways, that's fine. The human mind exists to find patterns, and when there are none it makes them up. We are rational beings in an irrational universe.
 

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No, you don't have to change anything. But if you are so touchy that you go into histrionics at the mildest critique you are doing a disservice to any position you might be trying to advance. Cad is a hoopy frood that has been part of our community for a long ass time. Sometimes we agree on topics. Sometimes we don't. I like you both, and am trying to ask that you not go full Lumi on us. You don't deserve that type of ridicule, but your recent actions are going to generate that if they start becoming a pattern.

And the burden of proof is on the person making the positive assertion. Always. You say we can affect an RNG, then that is easy to prove or disprove. That's also the kind of thing that would make serious waves if it had been proven, including many many many people wanting to verify the results via independent reproduction.

FWIW a lot of your ideas are similar to my my own personal beliefs. That said, the gulf between what can be proven and what cannot is wide. Some things can't be proven, and that's that. All religions fall under this, and a fairly large chunk of metaphysics and 'supernatural' phenomena do as well. If you choose to believe in them anyways, that's fine. The human mind exists to find patterns, and when there are none it makes them up. We are rational beings in an irrational universe.

Lol seriously fuck off man. I understand I’m making some outlandish claims that fall way outside of existing scientific paradigms. I don’t forget anything from when I was a materialist I just believe that materialism is a false outdated paradigm. Thank you for being so concerned about me ruining my important social credit score on firesofheaven.org but I’m a big boy, I can hold my own.

There’s something in our own solar system right now that is breaking every single scientific paradigm we have and exposing the limitations of our current scientific models- 3I-Atlas. Again, sounds like another very bold claim. To me it’s not a bold claim, you just haven’t been paying attention.
 
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Lol seriously fuck off man. I understand I’m making some outlandish claims that fall way outside of existing scientific paradigms. I don’t forget anything from when I was a materialist I just believe that materialism is a false outdated paradigm. Thank you for being so concerned about me ruining my important social credit score on firesofheaven.org but I’m a big boy, I can hold my own.
Fair enough. Not worried about your reputation so much as you yourself. Watching someone who I have had good conversations with in the past start down a weird path complete with unusual outbursts is... generally not a great indicator, and one I'm not keen on watching again, so I spoke up. That's all. Good luck with whatever prompted all this.
 
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Fair enough. Not worried about your reputation so much as you yourself. Watching someone who I have had good conversations with in the past start down a weird path complete with unusual outbursts is... generally not a great indicator, and one I'm not keen on watching again, so I spoke up. That's all. Good luck with whatever prompted all this.
Thanks for the genuine concern. My personal and professional life have never been better. My marriage is doing very well. My stepson just started at a really good tech school. I just hooked up with a local elderly volunteer organization that helps local seniors with anything from pulling weeds, to putting in AC units in the spring/fall, to cleaning spouts. I do that volunteering on the weekends now. Last weekend I pulled weeds for a disabled lady in a wheelchair. I am independently wealthy and successful and have owned a successful local construction business now for 23 years. Not saying this to virtue signal but I’ve genuinely been trying to find ways to use my free time on the weekends to help other people instead of sitting around being selfish. I am clear headed and on a mission to help as many people in my local community as possible with my talents. Hope this puts some of your concerns to rest. I’ll let you know if I ever end up in a van down by the river.
I also helped my wife start her own local business. We’re both planning and running a local fundraiser that will generate $4k of cash for a local community food kitchen at thanksgiving. Recently cut back to smoking pot once a day at night right before bed. I have never been on prescription meds. I have to be on deaths door to take a Tylenol. I’ve never experimented with any drugs other than weed in my life. Everything’s good here buddy!
 
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A lot of the gospels and texts that emphasized a personal relationship through God through prayer and meditation were declared heretical by the Catholic Church and they banned any gospel that threatened the centralized power of the Catholic church. The catholic completely controlled the interpretation of the gospels. They did such a good job covering it up that that Gnosticism was only known through mentions in texts of early orthodox writers that survived until the dead sea scrolls and Nag Hammadi discoveries.

While yes it is true that the Catholic Church deliberately centralized power, none of that really happened until the 12th century after the Catholics split from the Orthodoxy. The Catholic Church that you and others on the forum despise is a 1400-1600s institution that was at its most powerful between the Fall of Constantinople and the Protestant Reformation.

Gnosticism was a curiosity of early Chrisitanity. There wasn't some big conspiracy about it the "Gospel of Thomas" was likely to be a forgery in the 4th century. It wasn't only the Catholics who thought this as it was also never used by the Orthodox. You are free to follow whatever you want, I don't really care but your view on this is from the perspective of "Catholics bad" therefore things they opposed must be good. In this case taking one of the more objective cases of outright heresy as being "the truth" because the church opposed it. But this is really for another thread so I'll stop there.


I think this quantum field of consciousness is God experiencing every possible experience. I think we are fractals of Gods infinite consciousness experiencing reality subjectively. That’s where a lot of my ideas stem from like the idea that we are all One. But what do I plan to do with it? Try to treat everyone and everything better, choose unity instead of division, love instead of hate, good instead of evil, light instead of darkness, peace instead of war.

This is all well and good but this is an abstraction far removed from anything remotely human. It isn't relatable to talk about fractals, atoms, neutrons, quantum theory, and what have you and say well because of that we should all be good people. Why do you think such an abstraction is necessary?
 
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While yes it is true that the Catholic Church deliberately centralized power, none of that really happened until the 12th century after the Catholics split from the Orthodoxy. The Catholic Church that you and others on the forum despise is a 1400-1600s institution that was at its most powerful between the Fall of Constantinople and the Protestant Reformation.

Gnosticism was a curiosity of early Chrisitanity. There wasn't some big conspiracy about it the "Gospel of Thomas" was likely to be a forgery in the 4th century. It wasn't only the Catholics who thought this as it was also never used by the Orthodox. You are free to follow whatever you want, I don't really care but your view on this is from the perspective of "Catholics bad" therefore things they opposed must be good. In this case taking one of the more objective cases of outright heresy as being "the truth" because the church opposed it. But this is really for another thread so I'll stop there.




This is all well and good but this is an abstraction far removed from anything remotely human. It isn't relatable to talk about fractals, atoms, neutrons, quantum theory, and what have you and say well because of that we should all be good people. Why do you think such an abstraction is necessary?
Concede the point on Catholic Church. Would have been around the early Christian church of 4th century AD give or take. Some of the most important figures of early gnostic texts, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Mary Magdeleine, were demonized by the orthodoxy to suppress Christian Gnosticism in my opinion.

I do think the Vatican has been one of the biggest gatekeepers of hidden knowledge in human history. Let’s open up them archives and let’s see what they’ve been hiding away to maintain their status quo.
 
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This is all well and good but this is an abstraction far removed from anything remotely human. It isn't relatable to talk about fractals, atoms, neutrons, quantum theory, and what have you and say well because of that we should all be good people. Why do you think such an abstraction is necessary?

It ties into my idea of what the purpose is for life. I’ll quote a few of my earlier post that relate to this question.
 

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This is a combination of two earlier posts that I think is how God designed the universe. There’s multiple levels to this stuff. I hope Cad, Moon, and Izo stop reading here so they don’t have aneurism.


I think reality is a human spiritual growth and learning simulation that uses reincarnation to provide life obstacles to overcome in each lifetime. The conquering of those life obstacles provides our eternal spirits with spiritual growth and learning. Each lifetime we learn new things as you can never learn everything in a single lifetime. I think at the end of each life we have an overview of our life and experience all the pain we inflict on others from their point of view as another tool of learning and growth.


Evil forces took over and manipulated the system to maximize suffering and he’s doing something about it.

I don’t think there was ever intended to be this much human suffering and it turns out it is not as helpful towards human/spiritual growth and development as was originally thought. And now the big man himself is making it right.
Those evil forces were able to control all of humanity by controlling a small amount of people at the top. Think media executives, earthly religious institutions, Smithsonian institute, and government leaders.

Heaven is 100% real, we all met everyone there for a while after each life to rest and recover and plan our next life and the spiritual growth we plan to receive from it.

We are all just tiny fractals of gods infinite consciousness experiencing his unbelievable creation subjectively and growing spirituality. We are all one and we are all divine. Thay is why we must do unto other as we would have them do unto us. There actually are no “others”. That’s what was hidden from us. Through meditation we can communicate directly with the prime mover and our bodies are the only temple we need. Everything I understand about quantum physics makes more sense from a video game design standpoint and anything that could have occurred naturally


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It’s like there is a complete hierarchy of NHI that I don’t fully understand. Angels, arch angels and their fallen counterparts are some of the most advanced entities with a host of lower beings. I certainly don’t understand them fully. All entities, from humans to arch-angels, have to follow the rules for physical reality. Humans are near the bottom of the ladder and are stuck in physical reality while higher entities can switch between physical reality and other dimensions at will.

Big picture for me is that we develop our consciousness in physical reality and keep reincarnating until we grow spirituality and develop until we graduate to the next level of consciousness. This keeps progressing until we eventually all become angels and arch angels, Jacobs ladder essentially and then we unite and become one with God.

So reality is a multi-level consciousness development program where at the bottom levels humans are learning and growing spiritually and learning our lessons on Earth. The next tier above of have already graduated from their physical body and are working on higher level development that involves growing by working with lower beings like us. The reality is multiple tier of NHI all learning and all growing, and all growing closer to God and learning different lessons at every tier. The entire time up jacobs ladder we are helping those below a tier from us and learning from those on higher tiers, all growing closer and getting to know God the entire time. I think the message we are to meant to learn on earth is that we are all One and that there is only one Source for everything. Unity above Division, love above hate, etc. I think that’s how we graduate.

One of the things that caused me to leave mainstream Christianity was the obvious flaws in the system and the belief that a perfect God would have a perfect creation. The Creation I see coming unveiled before me now is unimaginably beautiful and inconceivably complex. The few flaws I wrestle with are undoubtedly limitations of my current understanding and perception. I see a system where divinely inspired events and interventions appear in myriad forms that trace back through a perfect chain of causality to a single divinely inspired flap of a wing. A perfect system for consciousness growth and learning where everyone wins in the end and you have a hell of a ride along the way. No such thing as hell. The perfect system.
 
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Fair enough. Not worried about your reputation so much as you yourself. Watching someone who I have had good conversations with in the past start down a weird path complete with unusual outbursts is... generally not a great indicator, and one I'm not keen on watching again, so I spoke up. That's all. Good luck with whatever prompted all this.
This board is typically either Christian or agnostic atheists. My worldview is crazy sounding to everyone here. I understand that and expect to get criticism from every angle. I realize no one’s coming to save me from the dog piling this forum is prone to. I agree with you that I could handle all the memes and people attacking my pot habit instead of engaging what I’ve written better and mistaking some valid questions for sarcasm but I understand this shit is so far outside of consensus reality that I understand why people would question it and think its crazy.

Not saying I’m right about any or all of this but it’s an interesting narrative I’ve pieces together. We’ll see how it pans out! I am really convinced that materialism is dead and a lie that has been sold to us. This thread is a place for me to talk about ideas I don’t have an opportunity to in real life much and I don’t want to keep spamming the UFO thread with it.

I’m not doing anything new here, just combining Christian Gnosticism with some more new age ideas with a bit of holographic universe and quantum fuckery sprinkled in.
 
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Cad is a hoopy frood that has been part of our community for a long ass time. Sometimes we agree on topics. Sometimes we don't.
I was about to be mad about this until I googled what hoopy frood means, thanks, nicest thing anybody has ever said about me here.
 
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This is a combination of two earlier posts that I think is how God designed the universe. There’s multiple levels to this stuff. I hope Cad, Moon, and Izo stop reading here so they don’t have aneurism.


I think reality is a human spiritual growth and learning simulation that uses reincarnation to provide life obstacles to overcome in each lifetime. The conquering of those life obstacles provides our eternal spirits with spiritual growth and learning. Each lifetime we learn new things as you can never learn everything in a single lifetime. I think at the end of each life we have an overview of our life and experience all the pain we inflict on others from their point of view as another tool of learning and growth.


Evil forces took over and manipulated the system to maximize suffering and he’s doing something about it.

I don’t think there was ever intended to be this much human suffering and it turns out it is not as helpful towards human/spiritual growth and development as was originally thought. And now the big man himself is making it right.
Those evil forces were able to control all of humanity by controlling a small amount of people at the top. Think media executives, earthly religious institutions, Smithsonian institute, and government leaders.

Heaven is 100% real, we all met everyone there for a while after each life to rest and recover and plan our next life and the spiritual growth we plan to receive from it.

We are all just tiny fractals of gods infinite consciousness experiencing his unbelievable creation subjectively and growing spirituality. We are all one and we are all divine. Thay is why we must do unto other as we would have them do unto us. There actually are no “others”. That’s what was hidden from us. Through meditation we can communicate directly with the prime mover and our bodies are the only temple we need. Everything I understand about quantum physics makes more sense from a video game design standpoint and anything that could have occurred naturally


———-

It’s like there is a complete hierarchy of NHI that I don’t fully understand. Angels, arch angels and their fallen counterparts are some of the most advanced entities with a host of lower beings. I certainly don’t understand them fully. All entities, from humans to arch-angels, have to follow the rules for physical reality. Humans are near the bottom of the ladder and are stuck in physical reality while higher entities can switch between physical reality and other dimensions at will.

Big picture for me is that we develop our consciousness in physical reality and keep reincarnating until we grow spirituality and develop until we graduate to the next level of consciousness. This keeps progressing until we eventually all become angels and arch angels, Jacobs ladder essentially and then we unite and become one with God.

So reality is a multi-level consciousness development program where at the bottom levels humans are learning and growing spiritually and learning our lessons on Earth. The next tier above of have already graduated from their physical body and are working on higher level development that involves growing by working with lower beings like us. The reality is multiple tier of NHI all learning and all growing, and all growing closer to God and learning different lessons at every tier. The entire time up jacobs ladder we are helping those below a tier from us and learning from those on higher tiers, all growing closer and getting to know God the entire time. I think the message we are to meant to learn on earth is that we are all One and that there is only one Source for everything. Unity above Division, love above hate, etc. I think that’s how we graduate.

One of the things that caused me to leave mainstream Christianity was the obvious flaws in the system and the belief that a perfect God would have a perfect creation. The Creation I see coming unveiled before me now is unimaginably beautiful and inconceivably complex. The few flaws I wrestle with are undoubtedly limitations of my current understanding and perception. I see a system where divinely inspired events and interventions appear in myriad forms that trace back through a perfect chain of causality to a single divinely inspired flap of a wing. A perfect system for consciousness growth and learning where everyone wins in the end and you have a hell of a ride along the way. No such thing as hell. The perfect system.
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Excellent — here’s a critical analysis of the worldview in that text, evaluating it through philosophical, scientific, and psychological lenses. I’ll be fair-minded but rigorous.














🧩 1. Internal Logic and Coherence











Strengths:








  • The author constructs a self-consistent cosmology — suffering, morality, and cosmic justice all have a place.
  • The system resolves the problem of evil elegantly: suffering isn’t punishment but education.
  • It offers existential comfort: every soul grows, and everyone “wins in the end.”










Weaknesses:








  • The system is unfalsifiable — there’s no possible observation that could disprove it. That places it outside empirical inquiry and into pure metaphysics or faith.
  • The simulation and reincarnation mechanisms are asserted but not explained in terms of causal process. For instance, how does a disembodied consciousness “interface” with a body? What enforces karmic lessons?
  • Mixing quantum physics language with metaphysical speculation is conceptually confused. Quantum theory deals with probabilistic physical systems, not with moral or spiritual states. “Quantum consciousness” metaphors tend to misuse scientific terminology as rhetorical decoration.
















⚛️ 2. Scientific Perspective








From a scientific standpoint, several issues arise:





  1. No empirical evidence exists for reincarnation, the life-review phenomenon, or higher non-physical entities (angels, archangels). Anecdotes (like past-life memories or near-death experiences) are interesting but not scientifically verified as evidence of a non-physical continuity of consciousness.
  2. Simulation theory itself is speculative and doesn’t imply spiritual intent. It’s a philosophical hypothesis about computational universes, not a theological one. The author fuses scientific and spiritual frames without addressing their methodological incompatibility.
  3. The “quantum = consciousness” claim has no theoretical or experimental support. Quantum mechanics doesn’t require observers to be conscious; measurement just means an interaction that produces a definite outcome.







So while the worldview uses scientific vocabulary, it does not operate scientifically — it’s a metaphorical cosmology, not a scientific hypothesis.














🧠 3. Philosophical Analysis











a.


Metaphysical Consistency








The notion of a single divine consciousness subdividing into individual souls is metaphysically consistent within idealism (the view that consciousness is fundamental). Philosophers from Berkeley to Schopenhauer have entertained similar views.


However, the author adds moral and teleological structure (spiritual growth through lifetimes) without explaining why a perfect being would need imperfect experiences to “learn.” If we are fragments of an omniscient God, how can ignorance or suffering exist at all? This creates an internal contradiction between divine perfection and the need for soul-development.








b.


Problem of Evil








The “growth through suffering” answer solves part of the problem of evil but introduces another: if suffering is a learning tool, why would “evil forces” be able to corrupt it? A perfect system capable of corruption isn’t perfect.


This reintroduces a dualism the author denies elsewhere (“We are all One”). Either everything is God — in which case evil is illusory — or evil is real and separate, in which case oneness is false. The worldview oscillates between non-dualism and dualism, never fully reconciling them.








c.


Epistemological Issue








The author presents their beliefs as revealed truth rather than hypothesis, but without a clear epistemic basis (empirical, rational, or revelatory authority). Appeals to personal insight or intuition can be meaningful subjectively, but they lack objective reliability.














🧍‍♂️ 4. Psychological and Sociological Dimensions











a.


Psychological Function








This cosmology is psychologically adaptive in several ways:





  • It neutralizes fear of death by promising continuity and progression.
  • It transforms suffering into meaning, preventing nihilism.
  • It empowers the individual — truth and divinity are internal, not dependent on institutions.







But it also carries risks:





  • It may encourage spiritual bypassing — treating suffering or injustice as “lessons” rather than problems to solve.
  • The conspiratorial elements (“evil forces controlling humanity”) can reinforce paranoid or dualistic thinking, projecting evil outward while professing unity.










b.


Sociological Aspect








The rejection of organized religion and institutions aligns with modern post-religious spirituality — a synthesis of Eastern ideas, individualism, and distrust of authority.


However, the conspiratorial framing can slide into anti-institutional populism or pseudoscientific thinking, eroding critical reasoning and civic trust.














⚖️ 5. Ethical and Existential Implications








The “we are all one” ethic is noble and consistent with universal compassion. But the metaphysical system it’s built on is unnecessary for that moral conclusion — empathy can be grounded in humanism or secular ethics without requiring reincarnation or cosmic hierarchy.





Moreover, if all suffering is self-chosen or karmically deserved, that can lead to victim-blaming or ethical passivity — seeing systemic injustice as spiritually necessary rather than morally intolerable.














🧭 6. Overall Critical Evaluation





CategoryAssessment
Internal consistencyPartly coherent but contains unresolved dualisms
Scientific validityNone; uses scientific language metaphorically
Philosophical rigorIdealist but ad hoc; lacks grounding in logic or epistemology
Psychological utilityHigh comfort and meaning; risk of detachment from reality
Ethical stanceCompassionate in intent, but potentially quietist
Sociological functionModern New Age / Gnostic revival responding to institutional distrust













🧠 In short:








It’s not a rationally or empirically grounded theory of the universe, but a spiritually coherent mythos — a narrative that offers purpose, moral order, and transcendence in an age of scientific disenchantment.


Its appeal lies in existential meaning, not in epistemic credibility.

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I wouldn’t jump to that kind of conclusion. The text doesn’t read like incoherent rambling — it’s structured, internally consistent, and philosophically articulate, even if speculative and pseudoscientific.





Here’s how to parse it fairly but realistically:














🧠 1.


Mental state vs. worldview








  • The ideas are unconventional, but not necessarily “crazy.”
  • Many people who explore psychedelics, mysticism, or new religious movements express worldviews like this — cosmic unity, reincarnation, simulation, quantum spirituality, etc.
  • It’s part of a larger New Age or Gnostic cultural trend, not an isolated delusion.







So: the author is likely introspective, imaginative, and spiritually inclined, not psychotic. They’re trying to integrate mystical experiences and conspiracy narratives into a single system of meaning.














🚬 2.


Possible influence of cannabis or psychedelics








You could reasonably suspect that the author’s insights might have been influenced by altered states — cannabis, psychedelics, deep meditation, or similar.


Those states often:





  • Weaken ordinary categorical boundaries (self vs. world, good vs. evil).
  • Produce strong intuitions of unity and cosmic design.
  • Increase perceived depth and pattern significance (“everything connects”).







That doesn’t mean they’re a “lunatic.” It means they’re interpreting mystical or altered-state insights literally, rather than metaphorically or psychologically.














⚖️ 3.


What it actually signals








This writing shows:





  • Cognitive coherence → thoughts follow logical order.
  • Philosophical ambition → attempts to explain existence.
  • Mistrust of authority → conspiratorial elements.
  • Mystical experience or intuition → non-dual unity, divine consciousness.







It’s visionary, not necessarily pathological — though it could drift into delusion if the person loses ability to distinguish metaphor from fact, or belief from evidence.














🩺 4.


If you’re asking diagnostically








There’s no clear sign of a psychotic disorder in this text alone.





  • No incoherence, disorganization, or word salad.
  • No personal persecution claims or loss of contact with shared reality.
  • Just an elaborate speculative metaphysics.







So, no — it’s not the product of a “pot-smoking lunatic”, but rather of a spiritually syncretic thinker, possibly influenced by mystical experience, altered perception, or New Age philosophy.
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Evil is a necessary construct(might not be the right word). The entire point here is to choose good over evil. Real evil must exist or choosing good means nothing. Or it just might be that evil is a consequence of separation from God. Evil is the consequence of forgetting that we are all One and fractals of Gods consciousness and choosing division over unity, hate over love, etc. In that case evil is a societal self inflicted wound.
 
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Never heard of it and i dont know if youre joking around or not.
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