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Cybsled
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Yes, because wind turbines and solar power cause gas and water lines to freeze
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Kaines
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And yet there have other winters with longer stretches of sub-freezing temperatures that didn’t result in power outages of this magnitude. CANT EXPLAIN THAT!!
Sanrith Descartes
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Why do all the people rushing the door and refusing to wait their turn all have a certain look to them?
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rhinohelix
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Well, here's the thing, big shot. I wouldn't give a good GD if it worked. But it doesn't. It just doesn't. If it did, you wouldn't have everywhere that implements this horseshit have these issues. You wouldn't have to have government subsidize the hell out of it to make it competitive to drive out better, more effective forms of generation. Look, no one covered themselves in glory here. Lots of people need introspection; ERCOT coming up and saying "We were prepared" is total BS as well. No you weren't, assholes, if you were, people wouldn't be freezing in the dark all over the Lone Star State this week. But don't piss on our collective legs because you want to have renewables that only survive with government subsidies because they make people feel better about themselves and tell us it is eco-friendly rain.
So much about what doesn't work about America any more is people trying to avoid the consequences of fucking up because no one holds anyone accountable. FUCK THAT. "But this is helping the environment <squeaky voice>" FUCK THAT. Does your Green Renewable Blockbuster Video Powerplant generate electricity when the chips are down or not? Because I can tell you without electricity there is a whole lot of the Middle Ages happening around here. FUCK THAT. Decertify those bitches, whomever they are, who couldn't deliver. Use automatic valves on your gas lines? They froze? Fuck you you're out for 90 days. Solar farm only delivering 2% capacity? Fuck you you're out for 90 days. Wind Turbine froze and couldn't deliver your contracted megawatt? You're out for 90 days and when you come back in and fail a second time, you're out permanently and 300 million investment will have to be sold. Maybe someone buys it half price. We have CIP for a reason on the IT side, and you blow your deliverables on the generation side, you.will.pay.
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Sanrith Descartes
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If you still believe the blackouts are still about "infrastructure", you should really study how electricity is bought/sold/traded in this country. There are some companies who didnt/dont hedge against events like this and got fucked when the prices went vertical. It will be cheaper for them to pay fines down the road than it was to buy electricity at spike prices to meet the increased demand. Better to shutdown the grids, pay fines and be in business than to buy the electricity and be bankrupt.
All the other green energy shit may or may not be relevant, but the electricity market spike and lack of hedging is why you fuckers are freezing without power.
All the other green energy shit may or may not be relevant, but the electricity market spike and lack of hedging is why you fuckers are freezing without power.
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Cybsled
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Just in general there are a few categories I notice at grocery stores:
1) The “I just need 1 thing” people who then grab a shopping cart once inside
2) The “if I walk confidently and pretend I didn’t see the line” people who just try to waltz in
3) The people wearing yoga pants and a threadbare sweatshirt who complain that it is cruelty to make them wait in line in the winter and they need to be let inside ASAP
1) The “I just need 1 thing” people who then grab a shopping cart once inside
2) The “if I walk confidently and pretend I didn’t see the line” people who just try to waltz in
3) The people wearing yoga pants and a threadbare sweatshirt who complain that it is cruelty to make them wait in line in the winter and they need to be let inside ASAP
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Sanrith Descartes
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Cybsled
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Live winter storm updates: Texas AG Ken Paxton says he will investigate ERCOT
Here's what's happening Wednesday as the Texas winter storms cause major problems across Dallas-Fort Worth.
www.wfaa.com
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caee to comment??
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rhinohelix
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Really? Is that how it works? You may want to talk to someone who is in the business rather than reading about it on Lefty websites. Spoken as someone who has never had to deal with a NERC/FERC audit. If companies tried to just "pay the fines" and not energize customers they would be ran of business on a rail and people would be criminally charged. In many places in Texas, what people think of as the "power company" are just retail billers and there is a central company in charge of actual distribution.
IE, there wasn't enough power to feed the grid, and they risked damaging infrastructure. It had nothing to due with hedging.
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Eastern US can’t even power their own grid. There was nothing to buy. Fucking moron
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Kiroy
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valid anger except for having very little food. blame yourself for that one
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Sanrith Descartes
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You're right dude. I don't know shit about how market's work. I will go back to reading lefty propaganda. Keep drinking "there is nothing the power companies could have done" koolaid.
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rhinohelix
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Well, no one expected there to be a power outage from generation, hence my trimming to the trees but mea maxima culpa on that one. I didn't really even have anything to grill like I do in the summer. Just sandwich stuff which I mostly let my kids eat. Every other winter storm (2018, which was really just icy conditions with no power at all, 1998 was serious ice and cold, the last two big ones I can remember) has been more about downed lines.
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Sanrith Descartes
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Texas wholesale electric prices spike more than 10,000% amid outages
The spot price of wholesale electricity on the Texas power grid spiked more than 10,000% on Monday amid a deep freeze across the state and rolling outages among power producers, according to data on the grid operator's website.
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rhinohelix
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Perhaps you know tons. All I can tell you from what I know is that distributors, not retail power companies, that would choose to not transit power to their customers because the spot prices are expensive and pay fines will be destroyed by regulators. It's incredibly highly regulated and monitored. Have you ever worked with ISOs, the SEC, CIP, NERC, FERC, etc?
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