Weight Loss Thread

Who ever said veggies are bad? I stated sugar is bad.

I have battled my weight my entire life. Mostly using a high protein, low fat, low carb type diet. Every time I relax, I'd gain weight. The holidays were the worst. All attributed to overeating carbs. Breads, sweets, starches, etc. Not to forget alcohol. The carbs triggered over consumption.

Now I am stuggling to eat enough protein, unless I add carbs I don't eat enough to maintain my strength. Which is a concern at my age.

Pops_sl said:

Who ever said veggies are bad? I stated sugar is bad.

I have battled my weight my entire life. Mostly using a high protein, low fat, low carb type diet. Every time I relax, I'd gain weight. The holidays were the worst. All attributed to overeating carbs. Breads, sweets, starches, etc. Not to forget alcohol. The carbs triggered over consumption.

Now I am stuggling to eat enough protein, unless I add carbs I don't eat enough to maintain my strength. Which is a concern at my age.

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Low fat and low carb? What exactly are you doing?

Also, sugar isn't bad and not all sugar is created equal. Over indulging in anything is bad, you were eating shit food that was probably processed to hell, had refined flour, way way too much sugar and probably drinking soda too. The problem is sugar being a main staple in your diet and consuming far more than is healthy.

The reason you intake little to no sugar in a ketogenic diet is because as few as 4g of sugar can knock you out of ketosis. Not because you're going to become diabetic if you consume 20g in the form of a piece of fruit.

Mother died of diabetes complications. Father died of heart disease. I'm now in their age cohort.

"What are you doing?" Counting calories my friend. Protein is satisfying. Being fat is not.

Trying a ketogenic diet opened my eyes to how much sugar I was actually consuming. It wasn't easy to avoid. Not that a keto diet is for me, I need to consume more protein.

Khane_sl said:

He's shown picture here before. He's not lying.

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Haha. He is leaner than me and half my age. Also seems to have a thing for keto diets. Doubt he has ever been obese or even big for that matter.

Pops_sl said:

Not that a keto diet is for me, I need to consume more protein.

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What? You are basically just flinging words around at this point. It's clear you've not done any actual research on weight loss or anything you're pretending to have knowledge on.

Itlan_sl said:

Ossoi you're spouting a lot of nonsense and anecdotal evidence.

No one who advocates keto from a scientific standpoint believes carbs are bad,.

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When I talk about keto krazies, I'm talking about /r/keto and /r/ketogains idiots. Ketogains advocates green veg only and their form of carb cycling/timed keto diet is a tbsp of glucose syrup or some other nonsense, it's literally retarded.

Pops_sl said:

Haha. He is leaner than me and half my age. Also seems to have a thing for keto diets. Doubt he has ever been obese or even big for that matter.

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I was 83kg and 23% body fat when i started lifting weights. Not obese or big, but skinny fat.

Khane_sl said:

What? You are basically just flinging words around at this point. It's clear you've not done any actual research on weight loss or anything you're pretending to have knowledge on.

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PROTEIN REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ELDERLY

I don't fling shit kid, like you.

And to help you out.

Sarcopenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You said Keto is not for you because you require too much protein. Those statements are completely at odds with each other. Especially since your high protein, low fat, low carb mantra will put you in ketosis if you actually mean low carb.

And "kid"? Really? There's a centrum silver joke somewhere in here.

You must have a stick up your ass. Keto is mostly fats in total caloric intake. But my comments are my personal experience

Let's see some of your pics. Ossoi did a damn fine job.

Pops_sl said:

You must have a stick up your ass. Keto is mostly fats in total caloric intake. But my comments are my personal experience

Let's see some of your pics. Ossoi did a damn fine job.

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Keto = Ketosis. Lowering carb intake is what gets you into Ketosis. That is an undeniable fact. You can choose to eat more protein or eat more fats to meet your calorie goals.

And my pics are already in this thread as well.

Dandai_sl said:

The reason I like this guy (Layne Norton) so much is because he has a deep appreciation for facts and not strictly adhering to any given philosophy, especially conventional wisdom. Yeah, if you look hard enough you can probably find a study that supports any belief, and in his videos and interviews he talks about those junk studies a lot. When he feels that a belief or study's popularity is warranted (meat gives you cancer, sustained state cardio, etc) he systematically addresses the details and minutiae of the study and talks about how it could've been improved or why their conclusion was off the mark - and he isn't shy to call out shortcomings in studies that support his philosophies either..

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Well, he adheres to his given philosophy Like Khane, I'm weary of trusting any one source too much, especially when they have increasing financial/academic investment in convincing others they are correct (which they may be), especially in any human research related field. In the spirit of appreciating Norton dissecting others' work, I hope you still seek out other sources than him at times (you've mentioned him like five or six times now in a short period of time so it really stands out). While it's not really practical or worthy of your time to read every study and do as much research as someone who devotes their life to this work, it would also be a bit of perversion to the scientific process you admire to hold up one person as so authoritative that no other sources are required (or to, for example, only listen to his rebuttals of something instead of getting the opposing view's best arguments).

Khane_sl said:

Keto = Ketosis. Lowering carb intake is what gets you into Ketosis. That is an undeniable fact. You can choose to eat more protein or eat more fats to meet your calorie goals.

And my pics are already in this thread as well.

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Link them, I have lost patience with your stupidity.

Most of the people in this thread have linked pics. I think there was maybe one that would impress anyone, what does it have to do with this current argument?

I'm probably one of the ones in the best shape in this thread and I know fuck all about nutrition and the science behind it. I honestly find the arguing tedious.

It seems like the people who know the most about nutrition are the ones in super, mega, ridiculous good shape and the people in below average shape. But the fine grain knowledge of nutrition is simply what got the person from great shape to stupid great shape. Just eating decent and working out is what got them to the initial great shape. But in every fitness thread I've ever read or participated in on the internet you'll get lambasted for simply saying eat better and workout more. You need to know the secret tricks of being in good shape or you'll accomplish nothing.

There aren't all that many people in here who try to min/max their food intake. But then you have people like Pops come in here and argue against actual scientific fact. The dude is actually arguing that ketosis is high fat, not low carb. You can supplement the lack of calories from carbohydrates with fat if you like, or you can supplement with protein. He's stated he's doing a low carb diet and is probably in ketosis and doesn't even know it.

And like the others have said, what the fuck do my pictures have to do with the fact that limiting carbs is what puts you into ketosis, not increasing fat intake? Go find the pictures yourself if you want to see them so badly.