Weight Loss Thread

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:18:58-0400

Aldarion said:
I don't get the contradiction.

You take BP meds to save your life, and there arent any real non-medication alternatives.

People take Ozempic to make their double chin go away, when they could just stop snacking instead.

I think its perfectly reasonable to view side effects differently in these cases. Its always a question of side effects versus main effects.

With that said - our country is 100x overmedicated and the fact that MDs constantly add a pill to your stack but almost never take one off is a real problem no one is addressing.

Obesity kills every bit as surely as high blood pressure man.

mkopec · 2026-05-13T09:20:59-0400

Cad said:
Obesity kills every bit as surely as high blood pressure man.

Obesity is also curable by, you know, not being a fucking pig. Lifestyle changes. I know its hard and not a magic pill you can take, but there are options. With shit like blood pressure, not so much. Prob 50% of blood pressure probs or even more are genetic. Ive had that shit since my mid 20s. And I was a fit monster back then.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:22:24-0400

mkopec said:
Obesity is also curable by, you know, not being a fucking pig. Lifestyle changes. I know its hard and not a magic pill you can take, but there are options. With shit like blood pressure, not so much prob 50% of blood pressure probs or even more are genetic.

And yet, how many people on here are fat? It's so easy for all of them to fix, but they don't.

mkopec · 2026-05-13T09:24:52-0400

Cad said:
And yet, how many people on here are fat? It's so easy for all of them to fix, but they don't.

Yep, so lets just take the magic pill, with god knows what consequences years down the line. Sounds perfectly logical to me. Instead of making some hard choices, like go for a fucking walk and eat better. Also never said it was easy either. I know its hard.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:29:25-0400

mkopec said:
Yep, so lets just take the magic pill, with god knows what consequences years down the line. Sounds perfectly logical to me. Instead of making some hard choices, like go for a fucking walk and eat better. Also never said it was easy either. I know its hard.

Great, so don't take it? Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

Also obesity has very known, very bad consequences down the line, and they aren't/haven't done anything about that. Why are they suddenly supposed to be so concerned about "unknown" consequences?

Otherwise healthy people or someone who just needs to lose 10-20 pounds, I agree with you, why take unnecessary things. Obese people?

Aldarion · 2026-05-13T09:32:28-0400

Cad said:
Obesity kills every bit as surely as high blood pressure man.

Absolutely, but the difference is there are 100% effective treatments for obesity with zero negative side effects.

With medical treatments its always about comparing the new treatment versus whats already available. Putting down the chips was already available, so its reasonable that people view side effects in Ozempic differently than some other medication where there is no non-medical alternative, let alone an effective alternative with zero negative side effects.

I'm not raging against it or saying no one should take it. I'm saying its a different situation than lifesaving meds with no alternative.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:37:40-0400

Aldarion said:
Absolutely, but the difference is there are 100% effective treatments for obesity with zero negative side effects.

With medical treatments its always about comparing the new treatment versus whats already available. Putting down the chips was already available, so its reasonable that people view side effects in Ozempic differently than some other medication where there is no non-medical alternative, let alone an effective alternative with zero negative side effects.

I'm not raging against it or saying no one should take it. I'm saying its a different situation than lifesaving meds with no alternative.

Diet and exercise reduces blood pressure in most people without meds as well. It's not different. Blood pressure also isn't going to suddenly kill you, it's not "life saving." It kills you over time just like obesity (and is in fact caused by the same things that cause obesity, sedentary lifetyle/bad diet/overeating). It's every bit as much a lifestyle med people are given because they are clearly incapable of dieting/exercising.

Aldarion · 2026-05-13T09:41:30-0400

Cad said:
Diet and exercise reduces blood pressure in most people without meds as well. It's not different. Blood pressure also isn't going to suddenly kill you, it's not "life saving." It kills you over time just like obesity (and is in fact caused by the same things that cause obesity, sedentary lifetyle/bad diet/overeating). It's every bit as much a lifestyle med people are given because they are clearly incapable of dieting/exercising.

Fair, I'll admit I'm not super familiar with BP meds and was arguing the more general case.

If the facts are as you describe, then BP meds go in the same category as Ozempic and I think people should view their side effects differently than lifesaving meds without alternatives.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:44:03-0400

Aldarion said:
Fair, I'll admit I'm not super familiar with BP meds and was arguing the more general case.

If the facts are as you describe, then BP meds go in the same category as Ozempic and I think people should view their side effects differently than lifesaving meds without alternatives.

Which meds are lifesaving meds without alternatives in your mind?

Aldarion · 2026-05-13T09:52:25-0400

Do you dispute that such a category exists? Whats the end game here?

mkopec · 2026-05-13T09:52:28-0400

BP is def not curable in some people, like me for an example. I was running and biking miles per day and lifting. BF% of prob 10% and still had BP problems, so no its not curable by not being sedentary. For some? Yes, but not for all. Like I said I had that shit since my mid 20s when doctors were telling me I had high BP. Never took meds for it because it was only mild stage one. But by my 40s it was getting worse and I had to take pills.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:54:19-0400

Aldarion said:
Do you dispute that such a category exists? Whats the end game here?

You're the one who brought up some category of meds that are life saving with no alternatives, I'm just wondering which ones you mean.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:57:31-0400

mkopec said:
BP is def not curable in some people, like me for an example. I was running and biking miles per day and lifting. BF% of prob 10% and still had BP problems, so no its not curable by not being sedentary. For some? Yes, but not for all. Like I said I had that shit since my mid 20s when doctors were telling me I had high BP. Never took meds for it because it was only mild stage one. But by my 40s it was getting worse and I had to take pills.

It's not just exercise, depends on the quality of foods you're eating too - less sodium, more potassium, more vegetables, less saturated fats/red meats... no idea what you ate, not criticizing, but a lot of very fit men have pretty terrible diets.

That said I think in trials even with doing all that 10-15% of people still needed BP meds, that's very believable. Some people will do everything right and still have borderline or high BP, absolutely. That's why I said "most" not "all."

mkopec · 2026-05-13T09:58:19-0400

Cad said:
You're the one who brought up some category of meds that are life saving with no alternatives, I'm just wondering which ones you mean.

Insulin with type 1 diabetics.

Cad · 2026-05-13T09:59:40-0400

mkopec said:
Insulin with type 1 diabetics.

Pretty good example!

mkopec · 2026-05-13T10:01:03-0400

Cad said:
It's not just exercise, depends on the quality of foods you're eating too - less sodium, more potassium, more vegetables, less saturated fats/red meats... no idea what you ate, not criticizing, but a lot of very fit men have pretty terrible diets.

That said I think in trials even with doing all that 10-15% of people still needed BP meds, that's very believable. Some people will do everything right and still have borderline or high BP, absolutely. That's why I said "most" not "all."

Im not going to get into diets and shit, but youre dead wrong on the "saturated fats" BS 80s tech that you still believe. Anyways Ive always eaten good. I remember hearing the old adage of "Cant exercise your way out of a bad diet". And it always stuck with me.

Cad · 2026-05-13T10:06:53-0400

mkopec said:
Im not going to get into diets and shit, but youre dead wrong on the "saturated fats" BS 80s tech that you still believe. Anyways Ive always eaten good.

I don't "believe" anything, I don't have high blood pressure nor any heart conditions nor obesity, so I just eat what seems good to me, I'm not concerned. I've always heard all of those things with diets would reduce your BP, especially sodium and getting the correct potassium intake. If not, thats good to know.

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