Sheriff Cad
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Obesity kills every bit as surely as high blood pressure man.
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Obesity is also curable by, you know, not being a fucking pig. Lifestyle changes. I know its hard and not a magic pill you can take, but there are options. With shit like blood pressure, not so much. Prob 50% of blood pressure probs or even more are genetic. Ive had that shit since my mid 20s. And I was a fit monster back then.
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And yet, how many people on here are fat? It's so easy for all of them to fix, but they don't.
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Great, so don't take it? Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
Also obesity has very known, very bad consequences down the line, and they aren't/haven't done anything about that. Why are they suddenly supposed to be so concerned about "unknown" consequences?
Otherwise healthy people or someone who just needs to lose 10-20 pounds, I agree with you, why take unnecessary things. Obese people?
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Absolutely, but the difference is there are 100% effective treatments for obesity with zero negative side effects.
With medical treatments its always about comparing the new treatment versus whats already available. Putting down the chips was already available, so its reasonable that people view side effects in Ozempic differently than some other medication where there is no non-medical alternative, let alone an effective alternative with zero negative side effects.
I'm not raging against it or saying no one should take it. I'm saying its a different situation than lifesaving meds with no alternative.
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Diet and exercise reduces blood pressure in most people without meds as well. It's not different. Blood pressure also isn't going to suddenly kill you, it's not "life saving." It kills you over time just like obesity (and is in fact caused by the same things that cause obesity, sedentary lifetyle/bad diet/overeating). It's every bit as much a lifestyle med people are given because they are clearly incapable of dieting/exercising.
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Sheriff Cad
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BP is def not curable in some people, like me for an example. I was running and biking miles per day and lifting. BF% of prob 10% and still had BP problems, so no its not curable by not being sedentary. For some? Yes, but not for all. Like I said I had that shit since my mid 20s when doctors were telling me I had high BP. Never took meds for it because it was only mild stage one. But by my 40s it was getting worse and I had to take pills.
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You're the one who brought up some category of meds that are life saving with no alternatives, I'm just wondering which ones you mean.
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It's not just exercise, depends on the quality of foods you're eating too - less sodium, more potassium, more vegetables, less saturated fats/red meats... no idea what you ate, not criticizing, but a lot of very fit men have pretty terrible diets.
That said I think in trials even with doing all that 10-15% of people still needed BP meds, that's very believable. Some people will do everything right and still have borderline or high BP, absolutely. That's why I said "most" not "all."
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I don't "believe" anything, I don't have high blood pressure nor any heart conditions nor obesity, so I just eat what seems good to me, I'm not concerned. I've always heard all of those things with diets would reduce your BP, especially sodium and getting the correct potassium intake. If not, thats good to know.
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Problems of genetics, my guy. Same shit with cholesterol with some people. They can eat 100% healthy shit and still have high cholesterol. Just rolled a bad hand. Me on the other hand has no problem with cholesterol. Every time I get my bloodwork done its fucking perfect. My mother on the other hand has always had high cholesterol no matter what she ate or what she changed about her diet.
Hypertension (high blood pressure) has a strong hereditary component, with genetic factors accounting for an estimated 30% to 60% of blood pressure variation. While it usually results from complex, polygenic interactions (many genes with small effects) combined with environment, rare monogenic forms do exist. Individuals with hypertensive parents have a significantly elevated risk. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key Genetic Aspects of Hypertension
- Inheritance Patterns: Hypertension tends to run in families, and if both parents have high blood pressure, the risk to their children is substantially higher.
- Polygenic Nature: Most cases of high blood pressure are "polygenic," meaning they arise from the cumulative effect of hundreds of small genetic variants.
- Monogenic Forms: Rare, early-onset hypertension can be caused by single gene mutations, which often affect how the kidneys handle salt or regulate hormone systems.
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Per my previous post...
That said I think in trials even with doing all that 10-15% of people still needed BP meds, that's very believable. Some people will do everything right and still have borderline or high BP, absolutely. That's why I said "most" not "all."
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If you're on the course to die because of a lack of meds, it changes the calculus. Generally when you are offered something like blood pressure meds, the doctor tells you "Exercise more and lose weight or take this to compensate fatto". All the people really against taking medicine chose to exercise route instead already. Medicine in that case becomes a patch to extend your deteriorating life. I'd rather take every actual physical action to delay the necessity for such patches as many years as possible.
So while people out there certainly do butt chugg meds, I'd disagree with the idea that they are necessarily the same people.