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Khane_sl said:
I went from a weak fat (280 lbs) fuck who could barely bench press 95 lbs to being able to max345 on a 175lb frame in a little over a year and a half.And I never felt fatigued or tired while lifting, in fact, I had a ton of energy and I was doing 3 rep sets with high amounts of weight.
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LOL. I'm sorry, but if you're going to throw out an outlandish claim like that, you should have to prove it. 345 pound bench weighing 175...in a year and a half?! So basically you became a champion caliber bench presser (raw, natural) in a year and a half? You must be a fucking genetic freak. Oh, and on top of that, you also lost 100 pounds in that first year? You should write a book or something.
 
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Elurin_sl said:
LOL. I'm sorry, but if you're going to throw out an outlandish claim like that, you should have to prove it. 345 pound bench weighing 175...in a year and a half?! So basically you became a champion caliber bench presser (raw, natural) in a year and a half? You must be a fucking genetic freak. Oh, and on top of that, you also lost 100 pounds in that first year? You should write a book or something.
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Hrmm... 18 months is a long time Elurin. Not sure why you seem to think it's so outlandish. Obviously I don't have video documented proof of the timeline but my routine was, every week I would up my max by 5 lbs on every exercise. I did 5 sets of 3 reps on most exercises. So for example, on flat bench, the first week my 5th and max set was 95lbs, the next week it was 100. I went up 20lbs every month. I worked very hard at it and NEVER skipped. You can laugh all you want but I had a lot of willpower and apparently a lot of natural potential.

And the weight loss was a surprise even to me. I lost 18 lbs the first two weeks. 50 in the first 3-3.5 months. Ketosis is pretty fucking amazing. I was lifting pretty aggressively and also doing 2 or more hours of cardio every day. I played dance dance revolution, goddamn did I love that game back then. I didn't even think of it as exercising, just loved playing that ridiculous game.

Also, why do you claim I was champion caliber? 345 was my max. I could put it up once... maybe twice on days where I was pissed off.
 
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One time I was at a casino in AC and I had a Cinnabon. After I ate it, I tossed 5 bucks in a slot machine and won 50.

So good luck trying to convince me that Cinnabons are bad for you.
 
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arkktheseaotter_sl said:
One time I was at a casino in AC and I had a Cinnabon. After I ate it, I tossed 5 bucks in a slot machine and won 50.

So good luck trying to convince me that Cinnabons are bad for you.
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It's always comical to see someone refute a point with sarcasm. Ark I lost a ton of weight and am very healthy, there were no apparent side effects, it's been 7 years since that dramatic drop so I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make with the Cinnabon comment.

I'd be even healthier if I didn't start smoking and eating french fries and pizza again. Now I'm 195lbs. Gotta get back on the train.
 
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Khane_sl said:
Hrmm... 18 months is a long time Elurin. Not sure why you seem to think it's so outlandish. Obviously I don't have video documented proof of the timeline but my routine was, every week I would up my max by 5 lbs on every exercise. I did 5 sets of 3 reps on most exercises. So for example, on flat bench, the first week my 5th and max set was 95lbs, the next week it was 100. I went up 20lbs every month. I worked very hard at it and NEVER skipped. You can laugh all you want but I had a lot of willpower and apparently a lot of natural potential.

And the weight loss was a surprise even to me. I lost 18 lbs the first two weeks. 50 in the first 3-3.5 months. Ketosis is pretty fucking amazing. I was lifting pretty aggressively and also doing 2 or more hours of cardio every day. I played dance dance revolution, goddamn did I love that game back then. I didn't even think of it as exercising, just loved playing that ridiculous game.

Also, why do you claim I was champion caliber? 345 was my max. I could put it up once... maybe twice on days where I was pissed off.
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Making me do all the work? All numbers are for 181 weight clas

AAU Junior (20-23) Male Raw American (set 1999) - 375 lb bench
AAU Law/Fire/Military Open, Male Raw American (set 2002) - 314 lb bench
USAPL Raw Collegiate (set 2012) - 308.5 lb bench
USAPL Raw Junior (20-23) (set 2009) - 325 lb bench
USAPL Raw Open (set 2011) - 418.8 lb bench

Here's even some videos of powerlifting meets in the 181 weight class!

NC State Championship, bodyweight 175, max 308.5, took 1st place

179 lb bodyweight, powerlifting meet, 305 lb bench

A year and a half lifting is not long at all. It's basically in the beginner to novice transition period. Granted I'm a terrible bench presser, but I'm 170 and I bench 205 for reps. That's lifting off and on for almost 4 years. So unless you did a few cycles during your year and a half, I'm going to say you're full of shit.
 
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Elurin_sl said:
Lots of stuff I can't see at work
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Well, I'm not full of shit, and have never taken any steroids. Shit I never even took any supplements, protein shakes, or things like creatine either. And there were guys around my weight, at around 180-185 at my gym who could lift more than me. I never thought I was even close to some kind of pro athlete.

It's fine if you don't believe me. But to me it sounds like you just can't believe someone else would be able to progress so much faster than you naturally.... because you are the definition of natural talent.
 
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I'm saying a year and a half isn't enough to be putting up 345 pounds.

Here's more numbers

New York state records:
181, Open - 370 lb bench
181, 20-24 YO - 292 lb bench
181, 25-29 YO - 319 lb bench
181, 30-34 YO - 341 lb bench
181, 35-39 YO - 330 lb bench

Ohio State BP Open Raw Record is 370 lb bench.

So basically, you're saying it took you less than two years to be able to break state lifting records.

Saying you not only went through all your noob gains, went through all the novice stages, and then blew up to being able to lift that heavy...all while operating at a calorie deficit (since you lost 100 lbs in the first 10 months) is fucking heroic.

I don't really care about your e-numbers. But it makes other people think that's even remotely possible for them. Then they spend 2 years trying and they're not even close and they quit because they feel like they failed. But really, they just didn't compare to the shit you made up.
 
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Elurin_sl said:
But it makes other people think that's even remotely possible for them. Then they spend 2 years trying and they're not even close and they quit because they feel like they failed. But really, they just didn't compare to the shit you made up.
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His numbers may be unlikely but claiming that someone will decide to take up weights and spend 2 years trying to emulate them, only to give up because "Dude I could never match what Khane from rerolled was lifting!" is as equally stupid/unlikely ROFL
 
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Ok, 2 years is probably not likely (if you spend that much time doing it, you're probably dedicated). But someone who's trying to lose weight and also lift and does it for a few months and doesn't make ridiculous progress like that may get discouraged. Shit, go on something like BB.com and you'll see people throwing out all kinds of crazy numbers. The vast majority of them are bullshit. It's why I like the Exrx lifting charts. They give you a broad idea of what someone in your weight class can lift based on experience. Obviously there are outliers, but it's a good no bull starting point.

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I would definitely not be able to up my weight by 5 lbs every week, I don't know one way or another, but it sounds extreme.
 
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I don't even know what to say. I had no idea competitions like that even existed, maybe I should have tried to find them? Or maybe I was doing the presses in a way they don't recognize as a "clean press"? I understand the skepticism since you're posting (if they are legit) state records and it doesn't seem likely that someone who just got into it could make such gains but I wasn't paying any attention to that. It became an addiction once I started to realize how much I was progressing and I was at the gym for an hour and a half to two hours six days a week so I could make sure I was taking big enough breaks between sets. Every week was just "I'm going to get that extra 5 lbs".

If I told you I was 200 lbs when I was doing it would have believed me? I'm sensing the real skepticism is because I weighed 175 not because I was able to lift 345. There's nothing I can say to convince you but there are a lot of people out there who could probably come close to those records or even break them who don't give a shit about competition. They just go to the gym for their own personal gains, not for some weird "I can lift the most in the state" glory.

As for operating at a calorie deficit, that isn't necessarily true. What's a deficit, less than the amount required to maintain current weight? I was severely overweight, not just trying to lose 5 vanity lbs. I had more energy than ever because I was eating much healthier and as a result sleeping a lot better. And I was exercising a ton. The human mind is a pretty powerful thing. This all happened in college so there are countless people who could attest that what I am saying is true, unfortunately none of them post here, and what good would that do anyway, you wouldn't believe them either or just claim it was an alt account.

I also have a hard time believing that 292lbs was a NY state record. That seems really really low, especially since NY has such a huge population. There are about 5-6 guys at my gym right now around 180lbs who can lift well over that. No idea whether they take anything but they don't seem to be "roided out"
 
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You can increase the weights while you're still in your noob phase; most of your gains are actually from your CNS. Basically you're getting a double gain between your muscles and CNS.

But that only lasts until you hit the "intermediate" stage. You know you're in the intermediate stage when you're not making linear progress anymore -- that is, able to increase the weight regularly in a linear fashion. You can see intermediate weight ranges in the Exrx standards. At this point you're increasing the weight over multiple weeks. It's no longer 4-6 weeks to gain 20 pounds on your bench, it's 4-6 months or more. The advanced stage is more like adding weight to your lifts over years.

That's why he's either a genetic freak, or lying. He basically linearly progressed to elite standards (novice - intermediate - advanced - elite). The only other way to progress that fast is gear.

Edit in response to Khane:

Even at 200, a 345 bench is pretty fucking big. Especially for someone who only trained for a year and a half. It's a little more feasible, however. The issue is that even if you were benching that much at like 250, as soon as you started dropping 100 pounds in a year, you'd end up losing a lot of muscle mass. That's a pretty quick drop in weight to be mostly comprised of fat. So if you were a trained person at 250 lbs benching 400 (lifting for several years), if you dropped to 175 it's highly unlikely you'd still be able to bench close to 350 dropping it that quickly.

And those records are based on age. The open numbers are basically a "free for all" for anyone. Raw means no bench press shirts. Not sure which of those are set as natural, but I assume AAU and USAPL test for AAS.

I have a hard time there are 5-6 people at your gym that lift that much at 180, unless you're lifting at Westside. All the people I've ever seen lifting 3 plates are fucking massive. Dudes that have been lifting for many years and most of them are 220+.
 
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5 lbs a week for bench is pretty standard linear progression. Start low and keep going up. However also standard is to be gaining weight while you're doing this, at least eating at a surplus. You can make gains initially but when it gets heavy you really need to eat to progress. In my experience anyway.

I guess people can react differently in ketosis. I'm not convinced it's really beneficial other than for weight loss short term (all of Lyle's keto stuff for example). Also it's been shown to help with things like epilepsy, seizures and even autism.
 
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Khane_sl said:
I don't even know what to say. I had no idea competitions like that even existed, maybe I should have tried to find them? Or maybe I was doing the presses in a way they don't recognize as a "clean press"? I understand the skepticism since you're posting (if they are legit) state records and it doesn't seem likely that someone who just got into it could make such gains but I wasn't paying any attention to that. It became an addiction once I started to realize how much I was progressing and I was at the gym for an hour and a half to two hours six days a week so I could make sure I was taking big enough breaks between sets. Every week was just "I'm going to get that extra 5 lbs".

If I told you I was 200 lbs when I was doing it would have believed me? I'm sensing the real skepticism is because I weighed 175 not because I was able to lift 345. There's nothing I can say to convince you but there are a lot of people out there who could probably come close to those records or even break them who don't give a shit about competition. They just go to the gym for their own personal gains, not for some weird "I can lift the most in the state" glory.

As for operating at a calorie deficit, that isn't necessarily true. What's a deficit, less than the amount required to maintain current weight? I was severely overweight, not just trying to lose 5 vanity lbs. I had more energy than ever because I was eating much healthier and as a result sleeping a lot better. And I was exercising a ton. The human mind is a pretty powerful thing. This all happened in college so there are countless people who could attest that what I am saying is true, unfortunately none of them post here, and what good would that do anyway, you wouldn't believe them either or just claim it was an alt account.

I also have a hard time believing that 292lbs was a NY state record. That seems really really low, especially since NY has such a huge population. There are about 5-6 guys at my gym right now around 180lbs who can lift well over that. No idea whether they take anything but they don't seem to be "roided out"
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Just go make a video with your iphone where you walk on the scale, weigh yourself, then walk to a mirror, say "Hi I'm Khane from rerolled, about to prove what I say" then walk to the bench, inspect the plates, have someone hold your phone, then lift 345lbs.

Then you'll be believed.
 
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So you're telling me I coulda been somebody? Shit, I wish this thread was around 7 years ago. From what I saw at the gym I was going to during that time period I never even considered myself elite in my own little personal world. The numbers you are giving about bench pressing records seem ridiculously low to me.

I forced myself every week to at least try to put up 5 extra lbs, and even if I needed help from the spotter I still went up another 5 the next week. I guess it was just mind over matter, I refused to not go up, I didn't care if the week before I needed a little help I just chalked it up to too much drinking over the weekend or a bad night's sleep. I probably would have progressed further but I had to have rotator cuff surgery effectively ending my power lifting career forever. Now I can barely put up 290 and that tweaks the hell out of my shoulder so I stay at 275.
 
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Just go make a video with your iphone where you walk on the scale, weigh yourself, then walk to a mirror, say "Hi I'm Khane from rerolled, about to prove what I say" then walk to the bench, inspect the plates, have someone hold your phone, then lift 345lbs.

Then you'll be believed.
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I can't, That was 4 years ago, and then I had surgery. Of course, now everyone is going to say "Oh sure sure, complete bullshit". I weigh 195 now and can't even put up 300 anymore. I don't know why I'm even arguing the point anyway, the original post was just to illustrate that you can still make considerable lifting gains while in ketosis so I don't believe it to be a detriment to performance. I shouldn't have posted hard numbers. Even if I had said I lost 100lbs and was bench pressing 265 in a year and a half Elurin wouldn't have believe it.
 
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Haha, no I could actually buy that. The weight gets increasingly harder to lift the heavier it gets. 265 isn't that impressive. There are plenty of genetic freaks out there that can train for a few months and do that. But when you're talking 300+, that's when you either had to have trained your ass off, gone on gear, or you're a .001% athlete and it came to you easy.

275 is still a strong lift though. That's putting you at close to 300 for a 1RM.
 
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Haha, no I could actually buy that. The weight gets increasingly harder to lift the heavier it gets. 265 isn't that impressive. There are plenty of genetic freaks out there that can train for a few months and do that. But when you're talking 300+, that's when you either had to have trained your ass off, gone on gear, or you're a .001% athlete and it came to you easy.

275 is still a strong lift though. That's putting you at close to 300 for a 1RM.
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I was completely obsessed back then. I didn't think about anything except for that, so in that regard I was probably exactly like all the guys who end up doing it professionally. You know, I wouldn't believe me either from the other side of the fence so I don't really blame anyone for calling bullshit.
 
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