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The_Black_Log Foler

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Just picked up this bad boy last weekend.

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Just got an email from my dealership, they want to buy the truck I bought four months ago and upgrade it for the same price, so I'd get a brand new truck with more features and they'd get my slightly used truck. I don't get it.
Desperate times = desperate measures. Big car dealership down the road has zero cars on the lot.
 

Burns

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Car thieves in England use a device to unlock and start keyless entry Mitsubishi Outlanders.

Have read rumors of these devices for 10+ years now, but never seen any proof of them actually working.

One theory on a more universal unlocker, 6+ years ago, was that it could find the cars keyfob (sitting in the house) by searching for the pings it puts out, then relay and signal boost the handshakes between the car and the Fob.

Again, no evidence of a universal type device exists, and the device in this story only seems to work on the Mitsubishi Outlander. So it may be an exploit in that specific system.



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Saw a doc years ago (8-10) about French criminality and there was a car thief who had a device with every car in the market, in which he could use it to start the car. He said he bought in Russia and there were few dozens of those things in the world.
Have to find that doc



Found it. This is just the part of the car thief.
There was also a low life drug dealer, a drug transporter and a dude who was selling ak's, pistols and c4.
 
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Burns

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Saw a doc years ago (8-10) about French criminality and there was a car thief who had a device with every car in the market, in which he could use it to start the car. He said he bought in Russia and there were few dozens of those things in the world.
Have to find that doc



Found it. This is just the part of the car thief.
There was also a low life drug dealer, a drug transporter and a dude who was selling ak's, pistols and c4.


Wish I could understand what they were saying, but it still shows the device, and the thieves putting it to use.

That looks like a professional OBD II tool and it looks like that car they broke into had two OBD ports, or there are two similar ports right next to each other. Every car I have seen only has 1 OBD port, so kinda weird.

The tool was probably modified in some way to send the start command without the key being present. Each manufacturer probably has some kind of locks in place to prevent this as well. Which they may change with every update.


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After reading around the internet a bit on it, it may have to do with the system set up to rekey the car in the event of a lost key (using the OBDII port). I don't see a fresh keyfob, but it could be modified into the housing and just erase/recode on every new use.

Here are a few theoretical car hacks from Samy Kamkar and a bit about the OBDII hack, with a paragraph or two description. Kamkar is a white hat hacker prodigy who runs a security firm and there are a bunch of presentations by him, at security conferences, floating around the net.
 
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Car thieves in England use a device to unlock and start keyless entry Mitsubishi Outlanders.

Have read rumors of these devices for 10+ years now, but never seen any proof of them actually working.

One theory on a more universal unlocker, 6+ years ago, was that it could find the cars keyfob (sitting in the house) by searching for the pings it puts out, then relay and signal boost the handshakes between the car and the Fob.

Again, no evidence of a universal type device exists, and the device in this story only seems to work on the Mitsubishi Outlander. So it may be an exploit in that specific system.



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look at them, they stalked that car. they probably were sitting in a parking lot or some hi vise place and just have a device to capture rfid signals. once they saw the owner of the outlander open the door, they probably captured the keycode and they followed the outlander owner home, programmed the game boy with the captured rfid key and just went there at night.

wow this is an old vid, but this gm security guy sounds like a sleezeball (more than the hackers)

like he just sounds like you have to pistol whip him
 

Burns

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look at them, they stalked that car. they probably were sitting in a parking lot or some hi vise place and just have a device to capture rfid signals. once they saw the owner of the outlander open the door, they probably captured the keycode and they followed the outlander owner home, programmed the game boy with the captured rfid key and just went there at night.

wow this is an old vid, but this gm security guy sounds like a sleezeball (more than the hackers)

like he just sounds like you have to pistol whip him


Yea, Samy Kamkar has a more technical presentation on this man in the middle type attack (video below (also in the link from previous post)).

It is hard to trust any reporter or even police when it comes to something as technical as this, so, in turn, I am not 100% convinced this can still work, or if it something different and/or simpler.

The only real solution to prevent these things is an old school switch on the starter wired to a toggle somewhere in the cab.

 

Burnem Wizfyre

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New exhaust tips, upgraded to 5 inch exhaust tips to look more aggressive and get rid of the chrome.
 

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Random thoughts. Need to see it in person to gauge bedspace, and i wish it had a 2 door longer bed version. But i think I actually think i like the maverick as a light cheap commuter/ object hauler if you don't need to tow.

3600 lbs 280 ish hp awd. 0-60 isn't much worse than my old Vw R32. Starts in the 20s.